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**Yinekol** · 10-03-2010, 12:07 AM

OK, Aloka-D, here it comes, I hope I am posting this correctly.

Where is the joy? All this about emptiness and not considering anything permanent, is fine. Obviously, if we get attached to something, we will surely grieve later. But I don't get how knowing this can bring us joy? I meditate, and still don't feel joy. I just gave up getting revenge on someone, because it's against the Buddhist principles. Shouldn't I feel a little differently if I have come to these realizations?

I admit I have come to Buddhism for Peace of Mind and to be honest, it has worked, especially this CD set I have that is "Mindful Way Through Depression", but while that chissels away at depression, it has not ever created joy or true peace of mind.

What am I doing wrong! I have been meditating at least 20 minutes, usually 40 for almost two years. OK, I don't get panic attacks anymore, but am often smitten by depression and negtive thinking.

Yes, I'm attached to an outcome, but, in my former life, I used to be a scientist and Mindfulness Meditation has good good scientific clinical studies that it does, help with depression. Since that is a fact, or as factual as clinical studies go, I don't think it's totally weird on my part, to want that same clinical result (fact).

You know, really, I take tylenol and it gets rid of a headache. But I come to the realization that there is no self, and I feel the same. Shouldn't I feel differently?

I think that what has helped with depression is just the acknowlegement that "it's just a thought". Do not invest emotions into thoughts. Don't get tangled in your own thinking. Don't try to control the future. And most of all, don't beat yourself up if you are depressed, and that depression is mostly a constant negative judgement thoughts of your other thoughts, including your depression thoughts!

Best,
True

Sunny and cold 8)

10-03-2010, 12:07 AM	#11
Yinekol Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	OK, Aloka-D, here it comes, I hope I am posting this correctly. Where is the joy? All this about emptiness and not considering anything permanent, is fine. Obviously, if we get attached to something, we will surely grieve later. But I don't get how knowing this can bring us joy? I meditate, and still don't feel joy. I just gave up getting revenge on someone, because it's against the Buddhist principles. Shouldn't I feel a little differently if I have come to these realizations? I admit I have come to Buddhism for Peace of Mind and to be honest, it has worked, especially this CD set I have that is "Mindful Way Through Depression", but while that chissels away at depression, it has not ever created joy or true peace of mind. What am I doing wrong! I have been meditating at least 20 minutes, usually 40 for almost two years. OK, I don't get panic attacks anymore, but am often smitten by depression and negtive thinking. Yes, I'm attached to an outcome, but, in my former life, I used to be a scientist and Mindfulness Meditation has good good scientific clinical studies that it does, help with depression. Since that is a fact, or as factual as clinical studies go, I don't think it's totally weird on my part, to want that same clinical result (fact). You know, really, I take tylenol and it gets rid of a headache. But I come to the realization that there is no self, and I feel the same. Shouldn't I feel differently? I think that what has helped with depression is just the acknowlegement that "it's just a thought". Do not invest emotions into thoughts. Don't get tangled in your own thinking. Don't try to control the future. And most of all, don't beat yourself up if you are depressed, and that depression is mostly a constant negative judgement thoughts of your other thoughts, including your depression thoughts! Best, True Sunny and cold 8)
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