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**liontutuxx** · 12-15-2008, 10:13 PM

Sorry for my absence I am fighting off the flu.

I'm sorry I skimmed portion of this, but I felt it necessary to post to this. I do have a valid excuse for not reading every fine detail....1)I don't feel good. 2)It's the same old blah blah blah!

The same old blah blah blah.
The same old blah blah blah about women’s rights.
The same old blah blah blah about the right of people to live their lives with who they love without repression/hatred.
The same old blah blah blah about human rights.

I, for one, will continue to stand up and blah blah blah whenever I see religion spew oppression and hatred until the blah blah blah starts to sink in.

This is my opinion and only my opinion and I'm not trying to open a bottle of worms with the next statement but.......

God said "I am". God is ego. So lets talk about that.....Bronze age man was jealous, petty, unjust, vindictive, bloodthirsty, misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal. There is archeological proof of that. So if the God described in the Old Testament developed during that time wouldn't that make sense?

That was my point there is nothing written in the bible that could not have been written by a Bronze Age desert nomad, where is the divine inspiration? Why didn’t god say something like ‘Oh yeah once a month a woman goes through a cycle ummm yeah it’s not a curse, she is not unclean its just biology’ Or what about something like this… ‘E=MC^2 yeah I know you don’t understand it now but you will one day and ummm thou shalt not use that knowledge to make war’

Any one who believes that any sacred text was not an inspired work but a direct work is a lost soul.

Inspired by what is the real question if the work is inspired by compassion and love then it is probably a wonderful document. However if it is inspired by hate, greed, oppression then it is not. I call them like I see them the bible is a horrible book full of oppression.

Unless we speak the language the original text was written in we loose a lot. Even then we loose a lot. I can make many many many statements about my personal beliefs and I guarantee that they are very simple, they would not be understood by most. My understanding of the Divine, just as yours is difficult to translate and easy to misinterpret.

Now, as a side note that is bothering me, Bushy boy is a total retard. When he was governor of Texas he supported a march on a small new age shop about 30 miles from where I live and guess what he said on television about the pagan community in Texas. Something similar to what he said about Atheists. Except he laughed that Pagans might want the same rights as Christians. Don't martyr yourself for your beliefs.

I am going to address something here about the liberal and moderate religious folks. The ones who don’t take the bible as literal fact and say things like ‘Genesis is a poem about creation’ They may be more tolerant and more likely to pick out just the feel good parts of the bible but they empower the fundamentalist by not standing up and calling them out, or by not holding a counter protest at the new age shop to affirm their stand on religious freedom. As an outsider looking in I have no way whatsoever to distinguish one brand of religion from the other.

Could we say that the basis of Christianity is hate, oppression and intolerance? Sure. We could also point out that many medical advances that have saved our lives came from the Holocaust too. A beautiful flower and the tasty mushroom comes from death and decay. So? Does that mean that everyone who has ever taken sulfur based anti-biotics, had a premature baby (or been one) is a Holocaust supporter? That every beautiful flower is just a symbol of death? That is ridiculous....logical but ridiculous.

Hitler and Stalin both had moustaches so are we to conclude that everyone with a moustache is a mass murderer?

Everything is a circle. Everything. Everything. EVERYTHING!

Ok so you like circles :P

Now as far as your comment about Jesus saying some good things, you are right. And he said some bad things. So did Hitler, Buddha, Mohamed, Zeus, Einstein, Mother Teresa, and just about every other person that ever was and ever will be.

Now your catching on

By finding passages from the Bible (or any other text, conversation, movie, article, essay, poem, etc. etc. etc) that support what you are trying to prove makes you no different then say Fred Phelps. You look at only a piece not the whole. You have to see the whole. And even when you look at the whole, you are still missing parts!

The burden of proof is on the person making the claims I accept that and I have no doubt that I have made my point by taking excerpts directly from the bible and real life events that I linked in my original post to show that the history of Christianities/Islams/Judaisms brutal and oppressive history continues to the present day. Though granted not as extreme, well except for Islam and Judaism. You are accusing me of quote mining which I deny I did post several passages of the bible to support the claim but if I were to present the entire evidence I would have to reprint the OT in almost its entirety. I do look at the whole from the early days all the way to the present I see an unbroken chain of oppression and hatred. People do good things IN SPITE of their religion not because of it.

So rather then ramble on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on....... with the same old crap over and over again.....let me try and sum this up.

It is not the religion itself that is hateful, oppressive or intolerant. It is an individual that is hateful, oppressive and/or intolerant. There are people like that from every culture, faith, sect, etc.

Individuals make up the religion how can you say that the whole is different then the sum of its parts? Yes there are people like that from everywhere it is human nature Religion just gives them an excuse to pretend they are doing ‘holy’ work when they mutilate young girls with female circumcision or stone a 13 year old to death for loving someone from another village or.. or.. or… the list goes on and on with the evil things done in the name of religion and NO giving a bit of cash at Christmas time does not counterbalance it.

P.S. I'm not Christian by any means. Jesus was a Son of God, not The Son of God. I am a strict follower of the Dioneses Cult of Culinary Wisdom provided by Holy Chicken #### Batman (tm) Yarns and the infinite power of bright blue ink......lll, ksc, abc, lsd and all that jazz...........................................

Again I don’t care what anyone believes I only care what they do with those believes.

12-15-2008, 10:13 PM	#11
liontutuxx Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 314 Senior Member	Sorry for my absence I am fighting off the flu. I'm sorry I skimmed portion of this, but I felt it necessary to post to this. I do have a valid excuse for not reading every fine detail....1)I don't feel good. 2)It's the same old blah blah blah! The same old blah blah blah. The same old blah blah blah about women’s rights. The same old blah blah blah about the right of people to live their lives with who they love without repression/hatred. The same old blah blah blah about human rights. I, for one, will continue to stand up and blah blah blah whenever I see religion spew oppression and hatred until the blah blah blah starts to sink in. This is my opinion and only my opinion and I'm not trying to open a bottle of worms with the next statement but....... God said "I am". God is ego. So lets talk about that.....Bronze age man was jealous, petty, unjust, vindictive, bloodthirsty, misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal. There is archeological proof of that. So if the God described in the Old Testament developed during that time wouldn't that make sense? That was my point there is nothing written in the bible that could not have been written by a Bronze Age desert nomad, where is the divine inspiration? Why didn’t god say something like ‘Oh yeah once a month a woman goes through a cycle ummm yeah it’s not a curse, she is not unclean its just biology’ Or what about something like this… ‘E=MC^2 yeah I know you don’t understand it now but you will one day and ummm thou shalt not use that knowledge to make war’ Any one who believes that any sacred text was not an inspired work but a direct work is a lost soul. Inspired by what is the real question if the work is inspired by compassion and love then it is probably a wonderful document. However if it is inspired by hate, greed, oppression then it is not. I call them like I see them the bible is a horrible book full of oppression. Unless we speak the language the original text was written in we loose a lot. Even then we loose a lot. I can make many many many statements about my personal beliefs and I guarantee that they are very simple, they would not be understood by most. My understanding of the Divine, just as yours is difficult to translate and easy to misinterpret. Now, as a side note that is bothering me, Bushy boy is a total retard. When he was governor of Texas he supported a march on a small new age shop about 30 miles from where I live and guess what he said on television about the pagan community in Texas. Something similar to what he said about Atheists. Except he laughed that Pagans might want the same rights as Christians. Don't martyr yourself for your beliefs. I am going to address something here about the liberal and moderate religious folks. The ones who don’t take the bible as literal fact and say things like ‘Genesis is a poem about creation’ They may be more tolerant and more likely to pick out just the feel good parts of the bible but they empower the fundamentalist by not standing up and calling them out, or by not holding a counter protest at the new age shop to affirm their stand on religious freedom. As an outsider looking in I have no way whatsoever to distinguish one brand of religion from the other. Could we say that the basis of Christianity is hate, oppression and intolerance? Sure. We could also point out that many medical advances that have saved our lives came from the Holocaust too. A beautiful flower and the tasty mushroom comes from death and decay. So? Does that mean that everyone who has ever taken sulfur based anti-biotics, had a premature baby (or been one) is a Holocaust supporter? That every beautiful flower is just a symbol of death? That is ridiculous....logical but ridiculous. Hitler and Stalin both had moustaches so are we to conclude that everyone with a moustache is a mass murderer? Everything is a circle. Everything. Everything. EVERYTHING! Ok so you like circles :P Now as far as your comment about Jesus saying some good things, you are right. And he said some bad things. So did Hitler, Buddha, Mohamed, Zeus, Einstein, Mother Teresa, and just about every other person that ever was and ever will be. Now your catching on By finding passages from the Bible (or any other text, conversation, movie, article, essay, poem, etc. etc. etc) that support what you are trying to prove makes you no different then say Fred Phelps. You look at only a piece not the whole. You have to see the whole. And even when you look at the whole, you are still missing parts! The burden of proof is on the person making the claims I accept that and I have no doubt that I have made my point by taking excerpts directly from the bible and real life events that I linked in my original post to show that the history of Christianities/Islams/Judaisms brutal and oppressive history continues to the present day. Though granted not as extreme, well except for Islam and Judaism. You are accusing me of quote mining which I deny I did post several passages of the bible to support the claim but if I were to present the entire evidence I would have to reprint the OT in almost its entirety. I do look at the whole from the early days all the way to the present I see an unbroken chain of oppression and hatred. People do good things IN SPITE of their religion not because of it. So rather then ramble on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on....... with the same old crap over and over again.....let me try and sum this up. It is not the religion itself that is hateful, oppressive or intolerant. It is an individual that is hateful, oppressive and/or intolerant. There are people like that from every culture, faith, sect, etc. Individuals make up the religion how can you say that the whole is different then the sum of its parts? Yes there are people like that from everywhere it is human nature Religion just gives them an excuse to pretend they are doing ‘holy’ work when they mutilate young girls with female circumcision or stone a 13 year old to death for loving someone from another village or.. or.. or… the list goes on and on with the evil things done in the name of religion and NO giving a bit of cash at Christmas time does not counterbalance it. P.S. I'm not Christian by any means. Jesus was a Son of God, not The Son of God. I am a strict follower of the Dioneses Cult of Culinary Wisdom provided by Holy Chicken #### Batman (tm) Yarns and the infinite power of bright blue ink......lll, ksc, abc, lsd and all that jazz........................................... Again I don’t care what anyone believes I only care what they do with those believes.
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