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**lXwVlTgO** · 10-13-2009, 03:51 AM

Time: The Real
Time is both subjective and objective, depending on how each individual perceives it. Objective is the way in which God would view it. A fixed series of events each before, after, or at the same time as another event. The subjective view is the way we percieve it; Time flows, Future to present to past.

Time: The Unreal
Time in this sense as supported by Immanuel Kant says that time is nothing but a jumble of senses, but the mind imposes order and meaning to these meanningless events. Space and Time are both only tools the mind uses to put order in a chaotic world. This way explains the objective view as nothing more than a construction of the mind, an image our minds create of past events.

the idea that god is omnibeing presents that he is everything.

This would make it logical to assume that he is the universe.

Either that, or time as we know it does not exist.

So by looking at time in the sense of the objective view, as Anne Conway put it "God is unchanging, he is outside time" Conway looks at time in the sense that Time is change. If everything in the universe was frozen and absolutely nothing moved, there would be nothing that could distunguish one moment from another; Time would be meaningless. So she concluded Time is change; without change, there is no time.

Conway firmly believed that God exists, thus she argued that if time is change, and God is perfect; He cannot become more perfect, because it would mean he has been less perfect. Thus God who is perfect, cannot change in time. If God is perfect, God cannot change thus God is not time. This is why God can view time as a series of events. Everything else sees and feels time in the subjective view, because they are not perfect and thus can change.

You can have one with the other. Both can be true, depending on your view. Time may exist, it may be created by our minds, it may be manipulated, it may be measured.

Also, what's wrong with flawed logic? Just because we learn 1 lie, doesn't mean all the truths we've ever known have been wrong too.

10-13-2009, 03:51 AM	#21
lXwVlTgO Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 545 Senior Member	Time: The Real Time is both subjective and objective, depending on how each individual perceives it. Objective is the way in which God would view it. A fixed series of events each before, after, or at the same time as another event. The subjective view is the way we percieve it; Time flows, Future to present to past. Time: The Unreal Time in this sense as supported by Immanuel Kant says that time is nothing but a jumble of senses, but the mind imposes order and meaning to these meanningless events. Space and Time are both only tools the mind uses to put order in a chaotic world. This way explains the objective view as nothing more than a construction of the mind, an image our minds create of past events. the idea that god is omnibeing presents that he is everything. This would make it logical to assume that he is the universe. Either that, or time as we know it does not exist. So by looking at time in the sense of the objective view, as Anne Conway put it "God is unchanging, he is outside time" Conway looks at time in the sense that Time is change. If everything in the universe was frozen and absolutely nothing moved, there would be nothing that could distunguish one moment from another; Time would be meaningless. So she concluded Time is change; without change, there is no time. Conway firmly believed that God exists, thus she argued that if time is change, and God is perfect; He cannot become more perfect, because it would mean he has been less perfect. Thus God who is perfect, cannot change in time. If God is perfect, God cannot change thus God is not time. This is why God can view time as a series of events. Everything else sees and feels time in the subjective view, because they are not perfect and thus can change. You can have one with the other. Both can be true, depending on your view. Time may exist, it may be created by our minds, it may be manipulated, it may be measured. Also, what's wrong with flawed logic? Just because we learn 1 lie, doesn't mean all the truths we've ever known have been wrong too.
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