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**MP+4** · 03-26-2010, 05:54 AM

We know that Jesus cares about Church unity and that He would like us to be "one flock"

John 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

But we failed Him on this one, the East and the West. We failed, in 1054, him for political reasons and not about the "truth".

In any event, we can have full communion without having to agree on all doctrinal issues. To this day I do not understand why a well meaning Catholic that wants to take communion in an Orthodox Church is not allowed to do so. After all, Catholics and Orthodox do have the same understanding about the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and Orthodox are allowed to participate in the Sacraments of the Catholic Church, including the Eucharist and Confession.

Dear Angelos,

John 10.16 is speaking of the jews and the future inclusion of the gentiles. Christ is simply saying that the gentiles are also included in salvation. The church cannot fail, there is only a falling away from the Church, not parts or sections of it. When Christ was crucified not a bone of Him was broken. The Body is not fractured. If one wants christian unity then he should join the Church and finally be united to His Body and not disunited.. Having full communion without dogmatic unity is the pan- heresy of ecumenism. In fact i cant even think of any Orthodox ecumenist who has gone that far, even they would denounce that kind of runaway ecumenism. There is one holy catholic and apostolic church, and that is the church of the Fathers, the Orthodox Church, there simply is no other.

03-26-2010, 05:54 AM	#14
MP+4 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 595 Senior Member	We know that Jesus cares about Church unity and that He would like us to be "one flock" John 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. But we failed Him on this one, the East and the West. We failed, in 1054, him for political reasons and not about the "truth". In any event, we can have full communion without having to agree on all doctrinal issues. To this day I do not understand why a well meaning Catholic that wants to take communion in an Orthodox Church is not allowed to do so. After all, Catholics and Orthodox do have the same understanding about the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and Orthodox are allowed to participate in the Sacraments of the Catholic Church, including the Eucharist and Confession. Dear Angelos, John 10.16 is speaking of the jews and the future inclusion of the gentiles. Christ is simply saying that the gentiles are also included in salvation. The church cannot fail, there is only a falling away from the Church, not parts or sections of it. When Christ was crucified not a bone of Him was broken. The Body is not fractured. If one wants christian unity then he should join the Church and finally be united to His Body and not disunited.. Having full communion without dogmatic unity is the pan- heresy of ecumenism. In fact i cant even think of any Orthodox ecumenist who has gone that far, even they would denounce that kind of runaway ecumenism. There is one holy catholic and apostolic church, and that is the church of the Fathers, the Orthodox Church, there simply is no other.
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