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**arerrurrY** · 07-05-2009, 10:34 AM

NOTE: Posts # 1-15 in this thread have been moved here from their original location in the Pacificsm and Just War thread, where they were tangental to the topic. -Moderators

A society lady remarked to the Duke of Wellington that a victory must be a great thing. 'Believe me, madam, it is the worst thing in the world, apart from a defeat', replied the Duke. Elder Sophrony said that during WWII, he prayed for the less evil side to win.

Can you post where Elder Sophrony said this what you say here Andreas? And who was the less evil side please do tell. As far as I know a war is a war. All people being killed are human beings and children of God! If you did not know -because it is not written maybe - there are places in Germany which were bombed, where there were only children and women!!! Ah and relics of Orthodox saints too - like in Würzburg - since they bombed women, children, the hospitals and the churches because there were no men in that town at the time of its destruction. Not to mention other places. Just because a Hitler came from Austria and decided to do what he did, it does not mean Germans are the more evil side. Ah and the numbers Stalin killed in the war... and they were Russians (besides other nationalities). Check the books please.

I am glad Herman said soemthing because I never heard also about an enemy of the church that we need to kill!!! Christ commanded us to love our enemies. Many of us have close friends, or friends and we also have people in the extended families or in the close ones who are Muslim. Now according to that we must get guns and kill them???

Those being said: Elder Paisios of Mount Athos also was recruited in the army and he said it is a duty for one's country to participate in army duty. However he said that for himself he prayed to God to never have to shoot a bullet. I have to find the exact saying and I will post it.

07-05-2009, 10:34 AM	#1
arerrurrY Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 411 Senior Member	Communist powers NOTE: Posts # 1-15 in this thread have been moved here from their original location in the Pacificsm and Just War thread, where they were tangental to the topic. -Moderators A society lady remarked to the Duke of Wellington that a victory must be a great thing. 'Believe me, madam, it is the worst thing in the world, apart from a defeat', replied the Duke. Elder Sophrony said that during WWII, he prayed for the less evil side to win. Can you post where Elder Sophrony said this what you say here Andreas? And who was the less evil side please do tell. As far as I know a war is a war. All people being killed are human beings and children of God! If you did not know -because it is not written maybe - there are places in Germany which were bombed, where there were only children and women!!! Ah and relics of Orthodox saints too - like in Würzburg - since they bombed women, children, the hospitals and the churches because there were no men in that town at the time of its destruction. Not to mention other places. Just because a Hitler came from Austria and decided to do what he did, it does not mean Germans are the more evil side. Ah and the numbers Stalin killed in the war... and they were Russians (besides other nationalities). Check the books please. I am glad Herman said soemthing because I never heard also about an enemy of the church that we need to kill!!! Christ commanded us to love our enemies. Many of us have close friends, or friends and we also have people in the extended families or in the close ones who are Muslim. Now according to that we must get guns and kill them??? Those being said: Elder Paisios of Mount Athos also was recruited in the army and he said it is a duty for one's country to participate in army duty. However he said that for himself he prayed to God to never have to shoot a bullet. I have to find the exact saying and I will post it.
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