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**Freeptube** · 10-27-2007, 12:02 PM

That is what I thought too. The saints suffer persecution... it seems that all those who experience this great grace are attacked as deluded at some point. Elder Joseph, Saint Silouan, St. Gregory Palamas, Elder Sophrony, etc. And now in America, Elder Ephraim.

Wow! They must accuse all saints for prelest then because all saints had experience -in a way, or another- of the Uncreated Light. That comes with deification. Some choose to speak about the experience and some do not. It is all according to the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the holy discernment they posses. This last is so neglected in our times, that we do not hear much about it. But it is very important. Why do we always advise each other to speak about one's personal problem, with one's spiritual/confessor father? Because he has discernment. When we hear that the matter is pastoral, the key behind it is really the discernment. Accusing saints for prelest because they write about their relationship with God, shows lack of discernment, and even more so of holy discernment.

10-27-2007, 12:02 PM	#9
Freeptube Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 589 Senior Member	That is what I thought too. The saints suffer persecution... it seems that all those who experience this great grace are attacked as deluded at some point. Elder Joseph, Saint Silouan, St. Gregory Palamas, Elder Sophrony, etc. And now in America, Elder Ephraim. Wow! They must accuse all saints for prelest then because all saints had experience -in a way, or another- of the Uncreated Light. That comes with deification. Some choose to speak about the experience and some do not. It is all according to the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the holy discernment they posses. This last is so neglected in our times, that we do not hear much about it. But it is very important. Why do we always advise each other to speak about one's personal problem, with one's spiritual/confessor father? Because he has discernment. When we hear that the matter is pastoral, the key behind it is really the discernment. Accusing saints for prelest because they write about their relationship with God, shows lack of discernment, and even more so of holy discernment.
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