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**popsicesHoupe** · 03-11-2008, 02:32 AM

I am aware of scriptural support for the number six hundred three score and six. It can also be noted that man was created on the sixth day. I am still seeking info regarding a genetic numerical connection if it exists.

The point I wanted to make with that was that, while it is true that "... the Book of Revelation gave that number for man without explanation as to why it should be that number in particular," (as you said in your first post), there is a reason given in the writings of Irenaeus "as to why it should be that number in particular," and this was a very short time after the Revelation was written. The "why" of the number wasn't considered some great mystery awaiting future clarification. Calculating the number required wisdom, not scientific knowledge still almost two millenia in the future.

The only connection I have seen between human genetics and the number 666 was that the "total nucleons in the B-component of paired U, G, or C codons = 666" (whatever all that means). It was just one of a bunch of possible numbers - there were a 547, 452, 592, 464, etc., etc., scattered in the nucleon counts also - so this particular "genetic numerical connection" is to me merely a semi-interesting mathematical coincidence.

I find it very difficult to believe that any other alleged numerical connection would be any different, especially one with the parameters you mentioned. If the genetics-derived number for man is 666 but the number for a dog or horse is in the 35-50 range, there must be some kind of intricate calculations going on, because the numbers of genes and bases aren't that dissimilar:

- Humans have around 20,000-25,000 genes, while a simple roundworm has about 20,000, so dogs and horses should be in the same ballpark;
- Humans have about 3 billion DNA base pairs while dogs have about 2.5 billion and horses about 2.7 billion;
- Humans actually have fewer chromosomes: 46 compared to 78 for a dog and 64 for a horse.

Intricate calculations make numerical coincidences of this type very likely, if you just crunch enough numbers. As the old statistics saying goes, if you torture the data long enough it will confess to anything you want. Which, when you get down to it, is the problem Irenaeus saw in getting too involved in playing with this number until the time of the prophecy's fulfillment - you can get almost any answer you want.

In Christ,
Mike

03-11-2008, 02:32 AM	#7
popsicesHoupe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 417 Senior Member	I am aware of scriptural support for the number six hundred three score and six. It can also be noted that man was created on the sixth day. I am still seeking info regarding a genetic numerical connection if it exists. The point I wanted to make with that was that, while it is true that "... the Book of Revelation gave that number for man without explanation as to why it should be that number in particular," (as you said in your first post), there is a reason given in the writings of Irenaeus "as to why it should be that number in particular," and this was a very short time after the Revelation was written. The "why" of the number wasn't considered some great mystery awaiting future clarification. Calculating the number required wisdom, not scientific knowledge still almost two millenia in the future. The only connection I have seen between human genetics and the number 666 was that the "total nucleons in the B-component of paired U, G, or C codons = 666" (whatever all that means). It was just one of a bunch of possible numbers - there were a 547, 452, 592, 464, etc., etc., scattered in the nucleon counts also - so this particular "genetic numerical connection" is to me merely a semi-interesting mathematical coincidence. I find it very difficult to believe that any other alleged numerical connection would be any different, especially one with the parameters you mentioned. If the genetics-derived number for man is 666 but the number for a dog or horse is in the 35-50 range, there must be some kind of intricate calculations going on, because the numbers of genes and bases aren't that dissimilar: - Humans have around 20,000-25,000 genes, while a simple roundworm has about 20,000, so dogs and horses should be in the same ballpark; - Humans have about 3 billion DNA base pairs while dogs have about 2.5 billion and horses about 2.7 billion; - Humans actually have fewer chromosomes: 46 compared to 78 for a dog and 64 for a horse. Intricate calculations make numerical coincidences of this type very likely, if you just crunch enough numbers. As the old statistics saying goes, if you torture the data long enough it will confess to anything you want. Which, when you get down to it, is the problem Irenaeus saw in getting too involved in playing with this number until the time of the prophecy's fulfillment - you can get almost any answer you want. In Christ, Mike
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