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**acceraStoof** · 11-03-2007, 05:42 PM

Dear Effie:
You are more capable than you think! and you are right not to judge (meaning that you do not take The Lord's place in determining the state of their eternal soul) however, you still have your conscience, the Traditions of The Church, the light that God has given you and your mind! Judging a situation or the effects of an action in light of your Christian Conscience is not wrong! We do not condemn others, but we still have to judge so that we can follow the path of Truth in accordance with our conscience. The choices that we make, based on our own judgments is the "fear and trembling part" of our salvation. We know if something is right or wrong and we act accordingly. We must make a stand for Truth! This is done in Faith, Love and hope (and a lot of prayer!)
1 Cor 6:3
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
KJV

InXC,
Seraphim

But, Seraphim, why is it that we are told

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment that you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Matthew 7.1-5

But then we also have :

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. (16) You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? (17) Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. (18) A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. (19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (20) Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:15-20"

My understanding is that we observe, we use our brains, we are cautious as Jesus advised us to be, but we leave judgement to God.

So, how does this relate to our everyday lives? Do we keep quiet? Do we allow unworthy men to continue on their merry way, as the Catholic church has done concerning its pederast priests? What do we do? Are prayer and silence our only options?

What do you think? How do others on this forum interpret the above passages?

Effie

11-03-2007, 05:42 PM	#16
acceraStoof Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 516 Senior Member	Dear Effie: You are more capable than you think! and you are right not to judge (meaning that you do not take The Lord's place in determining the state of their eternal soul) however, you still have your conscience, the Traditions of The Church, the light that God has given you and your mind! Judging a situation or the effects of an action in light of your Christian Conscience is not wrong! We do not condemn others, but we still have to judge so that we can follow the path of Truth in accordance with our conscience. The choices that we make, based on our own judgments is the "fear and trembling part" of our salvation. We know if something is right or wrong and we act accordingly. We must make a stand for Truth! This is done in Faith, Love and hope (and a lot of prayer!) 1 Cor 6:3 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? KJV InXC, Seraphim But, Seraphim, why is it that we are told "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment that you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. Matthew 7.1-5 But then we also have : "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. (16) You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? (17) Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. (18) A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. (19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (20) Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:15-20" My understanding is that we observe, we use our brains, we are cautious as Jesus advised us to be, but we leave judgement to God. So, how does this relate to our everyday lives? Do we keep quiet? Do we allow unworthy men to continue on their merry way, as the Catholic church has done concerning its pederast priests? What do we do? Are prayer and silence our only options? What do you think? How do others on this forum interpret the above passages? Effie
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