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Old 11-04-2007, 07:33 PM   #19
w4HPpbSW

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But, Seraphim, why is it that we are told

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment that you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Matthew 7.1-5

But then we also have :

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. (16) You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? (17) Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. (18) A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. (19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (20) Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:15-20"


My understanding is that we observe, we use our brains, we are cautious as Jesus advised us to be, but we leave judgement to God.

So, how does this relate to our everyday lives? Do we keep quiet? Do we allow unworthy men to continue on their merry way, as the Catholic church has done concerning its pederast priests? What do we do? Are prayer and silence our only options?

What do you think? How do others on this forum interpret the above passages?

Effie
I think the issue for many is the word judge. It conjures up in the mind an image of a man in black robes pronouncing a sentence on a criminal. At the end of a man's life he will be judged by God Himself, this is for certain! (and this id the judging that we are warned not to do!) We are not to look at someone and condemn them as a bad person deserving of hell. However it is just foolishness to think that you can look at "any" situation and not "see" the right or the wrong of it! You know because of your own conscience if someone is doing right or wrong! We "must" see the truth and then leave the judging to God. We are allowed to pray for such a one however! Perhaps pray that The Lord will open their eyes! Pray that they will come to their senses! Pray that God will forgive their sins and at the same time know that we ourselves are filled with sin and passions Kyrie Eleision!

InXC,
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