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**Stengapsept** · 12-21-2006, 01:02 AM

As a general rule (of which there are always going to be exception) those statements are generally true. for example it speaks of :

Worldly intentions - the intention to take the life of ones child would of necessity be worldly and not spiritual . If ones mind is totally free from worldly impulses and desires one would be incapable of sinning and therefore wouldn't have an abortion.

uncontrolled sensuality - If one is not willing to keep or give for adoption a child that results from a sex act then that specific sex act would be an act of sensuality ( unless the person was raped or minor and couldn't consent which obviously does occur at times but **) or if the sex is between unmarried partners it would also qualify as "sensuality".

hard-hardheartedness and indifference - Unless the abortion was done against the mothers will it would be hard not to impute hard hardheartedness because a "soft heart" wouldn't be willing to abort. As for indifference- apparently enough indifference existed to not spare the life of the child. Again this isn't true of every single case but it's certainly common enough to warrent illustrating in an icon.

superficiality- Very often abortions are committed because the person does not want to bear the burdens (in terms of money, time, lack of a social life, etc) of a child. That is the definition of superficiality in my view.

Dear Scott,

Quite, and I appreciate what you say, as well as the passion with which you say it. I guess what I was getting at is the real difficulty of knowing what is in the heart of another, especially a pregnant woman with fears that lead her to think of abortion, and the need to bear in mind Simon's point about 'condemnation'.

It would be so easy to slip from where you are to a condemnation, without doing what you would do in terms of trying to understand the person concerned. So often in this world, having sinned, we can put on the armour that tries to protect us from our own conscience by feigning indifference, and those watching can easily reach the wrong conclusion.

I suppose I just do find this genuinely problematic, in that I can't bring myself to judge the motives of someone who has been driven to take such a step - whilst, of course, I have nothing but admiration for those who help such vulnerable women.

In Christ,

John

12-21-2006, 01:02 AM	#14
Stengapsept Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 651 Senior Member	As a general rule (of which there are always going to be exception) those statements are generally true. for example it speaks of : Worldly intentions - the intention to take the life of ones child would of necessity be worldly and not spiritual . If ones mind is totally free from worldly impulses and desires one would be incapable of sinning and therefore wouldn't have an abortion. uncontrolled sensuality - If one is not willing to keep or give for adoption a child that results from a sex act then that specific sex act would be an act of sensuality ( unless the person was raped or minor and couldn't consent which obviously does occur at times but **) or if the sex is between unmarried partners it would also qualify as "sensuality". hard-hardheartedness and indifference - Unless the abortion was done against the mothers will it would be hard not to impute hard hardheartedness because a "soft heart" wouldn't be willing to abort. As for indifference- apparently enough indifference existed to not spare the life of the child. Again this isn't true of every single case but it's certainly common enough to warrent illustrating in an icon. superficiality- Very often abortions are committed because the person does not want to bear the burdens (in terms of money, time, lack of a social life, etc) of a child. That is the definition of superficiality in my view. Dear Scott, Quite, and I appreciate what you say, as well as the passion with which you say it. I guess what I was getting at is the real difficulty of knowing what is in the heart of another, especially a pregnant woman with fears that lead her to think of abortion, and the need to bear in mind Simon's point about 'condemnation'. It would be so easy to slip from where you are to a condemnation, without doing what you would do in terms of trying to understand the person concerned. So often in this world, having sinned, we can put on the armour that tries to protect us from our own conscience by feigning indifference, and those watching can easily reach the wrong conclusion. I suppose I just do find this genuinely problematic, in that I can't bring myself to judge the motives of someone who has been driven to take such a step - whilst, of course, I have nothing but admiration for those who help such vulnerable women. In Christ, John
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