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Visionchaser:

Quote[/b] ]People are different in terms of their general mental ability, their attractiveness, their personality, their socio-economic status, etc.

Quote[/b] ]We classify and make judgments based on our own evaluations of another's individual characteristics. This is the way it is in every culture in the world.

Atalderic:

Quote[/b] ]Why consider thoses differences as inequality? Can we measure people on that in order to rank them?

I understand what visionchaser is trying to say, and that visionchaser is using a writing style of logic and reason to support what he thinks. I don't think visionchaser really equates differences with inequality. I think he is trying to explain the beauty of complexity and diversity without which we would be stagnant. I understand that altaderic and pear, as well as others here, are more or less saying the same thing. We just have problems with words we have chosen to use and the images they project, and then the reader has different emotional reactions to the image evoked. When we use certain words we may actually associate a totally different meaning to our images. Because behind each word is a complex unique mind of the person who is using those words, and so many diverse, msyterious, deep individuals' worlds we try to understand using common words which have their limits.

'Classify', 'evaluate', 'judge', 'rank', 'measure', 'inequality', all vocabularies of mathematics, logic and reason. They tend to project the perception of objects/aspects as seperate and relatively independent, and many times in competition and conflict with each other. Let's look at the example of a different vocabulary given earlier (one I hope that most of us can intuite a common understanding of), "pradej" and "prakun". Let me explain these terms further, they are terms based on emotional and subjective weighing of the perceiver, not using logic nor reason. Therefore, no fixed classification, but fluid movement. It's a world of relativity and interdependence. You feel, you don't reason on who is a wiseman and deserve your respect. A penniless, homeless drifter could be more wise than a rich banker.

Offside remark: I don't make heroes of the homeless in Toronto. I am appalled by that they have to stay out on the streets in the extreme weather in winter, but I can't help but admire their steadfast insistence in their rebellion against the system. In USA they might put these people in jail, in Canada they provide shelters for these people to find a warm bed, and few necessities, but paradoxically they choose to stay out. The police pick them up when it is below freezing and send them to warm places to stay, free to leave when the weather is better.

Quote[/b] ]You might think that it's better easy to write than applicate.

Why is it difficult to apply liberty and equality? Because maybe the environment makes it difficult, if you were surrounded by an environment that deprive liberty, such as in China, and some arab countries (BTW, I don't think any situation of these situations are absolute in terms of non-freedom), how do you practise liberty? Underground or as militants.

Quote[/b] ] Originally Posted by [b Quote[/b] ]But sometimes, dreaming about equality and participate a little to the pain of the poor give us hope that life can be better for all. It's already a positive point. It's those persons who can teach us first the definition of equality.

I hope I can meet that kind of person. I know that there is someone out there that is like this. Maybe oneday, I can become that person too and teach others as well. Thanks for bringing it up. Both of you are already these people, as are any others who took notice. We all are, in different ways. These qualities exist in all of us, just expressed in each, uniquely different ways, and with time they come out and brilliantly shine the way gems do when you look at them from different angles.

The problem with conversation on the internet is that it emphasizes only the words and can lead to misunderstanding which shouldn't have happened because in the end we are all so similar (or shall I say, "equal"). When we are conversing in a physical environment there are other information flows that mediate and cool down the conversation and make it enjoyable, entertaining, and fulfilling. I hope/wish for that this forum will foster friendships among people of diverse minds and views, that one day, far in the future, we will meet in one space (preferably Srinai school, BKK) and have a great time joking about all the discussions we had and laughing about how we imagined each other.