Interesting stuff Steve Well I see what you mean about possible positive connations but in my experience people aren't happy to be called §¡, it seems like it's almost always intended as an insult and as such provokes a defensive reaction. If they don't intend to insult and mean being tight with money in a wise way they seem to use »ÃÐËÂÑ´ (to economise;be frugal) instead. I guess even that could be taken both ways, like if your girlfriend said to you à¸Í¹Õè »ÃÐËÂÑ´¨ÃÔ§æ ¹Ð! ("you're really very careful with your money!") it would depend a lot on the context and tone of voice as to whether it was a compliment or insult.