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**heennaRaf** · 06-17-2006, 08:00 AM

Quote[/b] (globalwoman @ July 03 2004,06:42)]Origin of Thais as Kmer?!! That's pretty original! I don't quite remember any history book clearly saying that.....nor have they been the rulers.

However, the more I read history, the more I'm convinced that we modern day people have been pretty much brainwashed by the pretty recently invented concept of nation-state in our definition of an identity.

I would like to see nations relinquish the very divisive concept of nation-state and see ourselves as diverse cultures coexisting together within boundaries......Look at the example of US and Iraq, does anyone sincerely see US more powerful because it went to war with Iraq?

I don't mind the name of Siam, if it can help re-identify the Thai people as belonging to a multicultural mix of people.

Soooo many points I do agree with you on

However I do not feel that the Khmer not previously ruling is an 'original idea' as shown in the above posts. I do feel honored that I could be accused of coming up with such brilliant concepts, today I truly feel I could play the historian role hehe.

I too am upset that in order to gain any recognition as a group you must belong to an organized 'Nation', Thailand is a true example of a place that holds a similar moral code of values such as religion, ethics, language, social behavior, etc.... yet they did not gain such recognition until 150 years ago with the legal formation of Siam as a Nationality on the world level. Even though vast amounts of culture has exsisted there for hundreds and hundreds of years previous of that.

As an American who was not proud of the war in Iraq, I do support the ethics behind the war. A wicked murderer, who had used chemical warfare on his own people and has mass graves the size of entire villages, is being brought to justice by the very people he had oppressed. BTW there have been 2 - 500 pound warheads found loaded with Sarin gas on June 30th. Poland found them in Iraq. The primary task of removing him from power is completed, not for my ego, but it is for the justice of the one's he has brought so much distress to. But I do feel if the German and French did not have their hands dirty with so much of what was going on in Iraq the United Nations could have done their job they would not have had negative votes from these countries as to the resolve to hold to. Then the US would not have felt the need to step in and do it for them.

And re-identifying themsleves, I really don't think the name will have too much effect. I mean the Thai people know who they are, they are not as plastic as many other nation changing their ways every decade, they are very solid in manner's that many countries are not. It may unify the people slightly more, but it is hard to fix something that is not really broken. As for the violence in the South... the name will do nothing. When people are willing to die for a religious cause they firmly hold to there simply is no waivering from their 'predestined future'.

You do have me curious to do some more research on Khun Borom though

I always understood that story to be the origin of the Vietnamese and Lao people though being part of the Tai group, not being Thai. I need to get to the library hehe. Thanks for the info

06-17-2006, 08:00 AM	#7
heennaRaf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 504 Senior Member	Quote[/b] (globalwoman @ July 03 2004,06:42)]Origin of Thais as Kmer?!! That's pretty original! I don't quite remember any history book clearly saying that.....nor have they been the rulers. However, the more I read history, the more I'm convinced that we modern day people have been pretty much brainwashed by the pretty recently invented concept of nation-state in our definition of an identity. I would like to see nations relinquish the very divisive concept of nation-state and see ourselves as diverse cultures coexisting together within boundaries......Look at the example of US and Iraq, does anyone sincerely see US more powerful because it went to war with Iraq? I don't mind the name of Siam, if it can help re-identify the Thai people as belonging to a multicultural mix of people. Soooo many points I do agree with you on However I do not feel that the Khmer not previously ruling is an 'original idea' as shown in the above posts. I do feel honored that I could be accused of coming up with such brilliant concepts, today I truly feel I could play the historian role hehe. I too am upset that in order to gain any recognition as a group you must belong to an organized 'Nation', Thailand is a true example of a place that holds a similar moral code of values such as religion, ethics, language, social behavior, etc.... yet they did not gain such recognition until 150 years ago with the legal formation of Siam as a Nationality on the world level. Even though vast amounts of culture has exsisted there for hundreds and hundreds of years previous of that. As an American who was not proud of the war in Iraq, I do support the ethics behind the war. A wicked murderer, who had used chemical warfare on his own people and has mass graves the size of entire villages, is being brought to justice by the very people he had oppressed. BTW there have been 2 - 500 pound warheads found loaded with Sarin gas on June 30th. Poland found them in Iraq. The primary task of removing him from power is completed, not for my ego, but it is for the justice of the one's he has brought so much distress to. But I do feel if the German and French did not have their hands dirty with so much of what was going on in Iraq the United Nations could have done their job they would not have had negative votes from these countries as to the resolve to hold to. Then the US would not have felt the need to step in and do it for them. And re-identifying themsleves, I really don't think the name will have too much effect. I mean the Thai people know who they are, they are not as plastic as many other nation changing their ways every decade, they are very solid in manner's that many countries are not. It may unify the people slightly more, but it is hard to fix something that is not really broken. As for the violence in the South... the name will do nothing. When people are willing to die for a religious cause they firmly hold to there simply is no waivering from their 'predestined future'. You do have me curious to do some more research on Khun Borom though I always understood that story to be the origin of the Vietnamese and Lao people though being part of the Tai group, not being Thai. I need to get to the library hehe. Thanks for the info
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