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**Elissetecausa** · 05-13-2011, 07:36 PM

I think what was preached is relavant. I have read the Koran.
I have yet to see what peace and justice islam has brought to anything.
I'll stick with Christs message.

Also - England and other parts of Europe are not third world yet they have many violent muslims living there preaching and
threatening others. See England for example.

That's cool that you've read the Qur'an. I don't get your point? Islam doesn't bring peace and justice. It's an idea, a loosely regulated system of belief, an identity. It takes individuals to act on what they perceive the message to be--and some help to bring peace and justice and others don't. It's a bizarre worldview to me to think Jesus message good--Christians good. Muhammad message bad--Muslims bad. I could think Jesus had a bad message and you could be a cool guy. I could think Jesus had a great message and you could be a bad guy. But I'm Muslim so I won't try to construct a "true" message from the Bible and then pretend that's what Christians are supposed to believe. I have the decency to let Christians interpret their own religious texts and state what they believe before presuming I know what they should believe.

Sure, England isn't third world but many of the Muslim immigrates came recently from the third world or live in communities largely of recent immigrants. I mean, but there's not a huge problem in England. Obviously there's worrisome people who hopefully will never pull off another 7/7. No one is saying violent Muslims aren't a problem. I'm not even saying violent Muslims aren't a greater problem in the West per capita than violent Christians. I'm just saying your brush is painting pretty broadly and you got paint on my family, friend and myself. And I think that's kind of mean :<

05-13-2011, 07:36 PM	#13
Elissetecausa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 458 Senior Member	I think what was preached is relavant. I have read the Koran. I have yet to see what peace and justice islam has brought to anything. I'll stick with Christs message. Also - England and other parts of Europe are not third world yet they have many violent muslims living there preaching and threatening others. See England for example. That's cool that you've read the Qur'an. I don't get your point? Islam doesn't bring peace and justice. It's an idea, a loosely regulated system of belief, an identity. It takes individuals to act on what they perceive the message to be--and some help to bring peace and justice and others don't. It's a bizarre worldview to me to think Jesus message good--Christians good. Muhammad message bad--Muslims bad. I could think Jesus had a bad message and you could be a cool guy. I could think Jesus had a great message and you could be a bad guy. But I'm Muslim so I won't try to construct a "true" message from the Bible and then pretend that's what Christians are supposed to believe. I have the decency to let Christians interpret their own religious texts and state what they believe before presuming I know what they should believe. Sure, England isn't third world but many of the Muslim immigrates came recently from the third world or live in communities largely of recent immigrants. I mean, but there's not a huge problem in England. Obviously there's worrisome people who hopefully will never pull off another 7/7. No one is saying violent Muslims aren't a problem. I'm not even saying violent Muslims aren't a greater problem in the West per capita than violent Christians. I'm just saying your brush is painting pretty broadly and you got paint on my family, friend and myself. And I think that's kind of mean :<
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