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**scemHeish** · 12-22-2010, 03:41 AM

The Jap's are continuing an inhumane pattern, such as the surprise attack at Pearl, Bataan, Burma, yadayadayada..

They ordered those A-bombs as we would order a pizza.

That's sort of a poor historical view of things. US History is just a fraught with inhumanity, our own surprise attacks, our own death marches, and our own massacres. If you can make that argument for Japan, you can make it for Britain, France, the Dutch (or any colonial power), the United States, etc. They are no more or less humane than we are, and none of their historical actions can't be balanced out by an example of our own. The difference is we won the war and write the history. By all means, the Germans did far worse in WWII than Japan did, and they didn't get the nuke. Do you know why? Because we could beat them without it. Don't deceive yourself; the only reason nukes were dropped on Japan is because the casualties we would instill in an invasion were much too high. The Japanese were too strong and fierce for the US to defeat in conventional terms without extreme amounts of attrition. Not a single thought was given to their ethics when that decisions was made.

If THAT is how you order yourself up a nuclear bomb and the wanton destruction of 200,000 lives in two instants, then what does the annihilation of the native americans, a number people think may have been greater than 10 million slain in US History, order up for the USA? Have the Japanese done some inhuman stuff? Sure as hell. Do they show any more of an inhumane pattern than any other country in this world? Hell no. Probably a lot less than most countries, and whaling has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I also am not sure why a surprise attack is such a terrible thing either. We just did two--Iraq and Afghanistan. It sucks to be on the receiving end, that's for damn sure, but inhumane? What, do you want modern war to consist of people lining up and shooting at each other again? A military tactic designed to surprise attack a military installation is war, not war crime. And it was a war that we handily won. Let's not let the past cloud our future with what has been one of our greatest allies and economic partners in Asia.

And none of that has any bearing on whaling. You still haven't told me, why single out Japan when they whale? Because of an inhumane pattern than every nation on the face of the Earth has shared?

12-22-2010, 03:41 AM	#16
scemHeish Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 442 Senior Member	The Jap's are continuing an inhumane pattern, such as the surprise attack at Pearl, Bataan, Burma, yadayadayada.. They ordered those A-bombs as we would order a pizza. That's sort of a poor historical view of things. US History is just a fraught with inhumanity, our own surprise attacks, our own death marches, and our own massacres. If you can make that argument for Japan, you can make it for Britain, France, the Dutch (or any colonial power), the United States, etc. They are no more or less humane than we are, and none of their historical actions can't be balanced out by an example of our own. The difference is we won the war and write the history. By all means, the Germans did far worse in WWII than Japan did, and they didn't get the nuke. Do you know why? Because we could beat them without it. Don't deceive yourself; the only reason nukes were dropped on Japan is because the casualties we would instill in an invasion were much too high. The Japanese were too strong and fierce for the US to defeat in conventional terms without extreme amounts of attrition. Not a single thought was given to their ethics when that decisions was made. If THAT is how you order yourself up a nuclear bomb and the wanton destruction of 200,000 lives in two instants, then what does the annihilation of the native americans, a number people think may have been greater than 10 million slain in US History, order up for the USA? Have the Japanese done some inhuman stuff? Sure as hell. Do they show any more of an inhumane pattern than any other country in this world? Hell no. Probably a lot less than most countries, and whaling has absolutely nothing to do with it. I also am not sure why a surprise attack is such a terrible thing either. We just did two--Iraq and Afghanistan. It sucks to be on the receiving end, that's for damn sure, but inhumane? What, do you want modern war to consist of people lining up and shooting at each other again? A military tactic designed to surprise attack a military installation is war, not war crime. And it was a war that we handily won. Let's not let the past cloud our future with what has been one of our greatest allies and economic partners in Asia. And none of that has any bearing on whaling. You still haven't told me, why single out Japan when they whale? Because of an inhumane pattern than every nation on the face of the Earth has shared?
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