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**babopeddy** · 10-30-2010, 05:12 PM

As I remember it, he was a civilian leader of the British Navy during WW-I and even at that time, he schemed to get America into the war on behalf of Britain. Then, as you know, WW-II unspooled in phases. Germany had no interest in getting America involved in the war and tried hard to not anger America. To that end, the German U-Boat fleet was keeping a keen eye on SLOC in the Atlantic and avoided attacking American vessels. And FDR was of the mind of non-interference in the affairs of Europe to the extent possible. So Churchill played underhanded tactics and got American merchant marine targeted as the war carried on, in an effort to get America involved. And as you know, America finally got into the war after it was attacked by Japan in the Pacific.

Indeed, Churchill wanted the US in the fight in WWI & WWII. Underhanded tactics, probably. The British were desperate. It should also be mentioned that FDR was sympathic to the British but his opinion was at odds with national opinion. Without Germany invading Britain I'm not sure if the US would have declared war on Germany, or without Germany sinking a big US ocean liner which you suggest they were unlikely to do. It's just luck for the British the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and Hitler declared war on US. In 1941 we certainly weren't ready to fight on two fronts with such powerful and determined enemies. But the US can change quickly and that was something Tojo and Hitler didn't understand. They spent a decade building their military strength and we just needed a year.

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babopeddy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 376 Senior Member	As I remember it, he was a civilian leader of the British Navy during WW-I and even at that time, he schemed to get America into the war on behalf of Britain. Then, as you know, WW-II unspooled in phases. Germany had no interest in getting America involved in the war and tried hard to not anger America. To that end, the German U-Boat fleet was keeping a keen eye on SLOC in the Atlantic and avoided attacking American vessels. And FDR was of the mind of non-interference in the affairs of Europe to the extent possible. So Churchill played underhanded tactics and got American merchant marine targeted as the war carried on, in an effort to get America involved. And as you know, America finally got into the war after it was attacked by Japan in the Pacific. Indeed, Churchill wanted the US in the fight in WWI & WWII. Underhanded tactics, probably. The British were desperate. It should also be mentioned that FDR was sympathic to the British but his opinion was at odds with national opinion. Without Germany invading Britain I'm not sure if the US would have declared war on Germany, or without Germany sinking a big US ocean liner which you suggest they were unlikely to do. It's just luck for the British the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and Hitler declared war on US. In 1941 we certainly weren't ready to fight on two fronts with such powerful and determined enemies. But the US can change quickly and that was something Tojo and Hitler didn't understand. They spent a decade building their military strength and we just needed a year.
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