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**yharmon6614** · 05-19-2011, 01:47 AM

why than doesn't the dominican government enact laws to regulate haitian immigration, these messures could and should include better control at the border?

Immigration Law 285-04

Article 17: Paragraph 3 of the Constitution revised in 2010

if there is one lesson on illegal immigration that applies world wide, it is the fact that you can't control your borders, it is simply not possible.

I’ve been wondering why a few years ago it was quite normal to hear of terrorist attacks, almost on a daily basis, somewhere in Israel. The news was just filled with those stories, day in and day out. Then they became serious about controlling the flow at their borders, particularly with the West Bank, and turned a deaf ear to the international community (being backed economically by the US is always a plus when doing the deaf ear ‘thing’); and voila, terrorist blowing themselves all over Israel, killing hundreds of Israelis at a time, are now a very rare event.

But, I guess you’re right, mariot. It’s simply not possible to control borders.

Is the fence effective?

The fence makes the difference

if the dominican government were able to shut down the border completely, pressure would rise in haiti, worsening the situation, and leading to another crisis, which would affect the dominican republic too, as every major crisis in haiti does.

Yes, every Haitian crisis affects the DR via massive migration flows precisely due to a hands off approach to guarding the border; but if the border is properly guarded (see response prior to this one), then such effects can be reduced to a negligible level.

And pressure would rise in Haiti, if the Haitian government doesn’t take its role seriously. A little pressure with no exit for the steam could be what’s needed for the Haitian government to get its act together. If that fails, the international community would have to intervene. In such case, foreign military intervention is the best possible solution since Haiti has never been in disarray in any of the direct military/political interventions the country has been subjected at various times in its history.

the dominican government does not have the resources to solve haitis internal problems and effectively reduce poverty there.

Ok then, you fully understand the issue, which naturally leads to this: What exactly are your arguing for?

There’s nothing the DR can do to save Haiti and its people, absolutely nothing. The help and solidarity during the aftermath of the earthquake has proven to be great for publicity, but did it made a visible dent in reducing the number of people living in tents in Port-au-Prince, one year after the earthquake?

Are Haitians now eating healthier and drinking clean water thanks to the massive help the Dominican government and people have given during the past year and some months?

Do Haitians no longer fear raping gangs, drug traffickers controlling entire neighborhoods, and other degradations in quality of life and public safety?

Is Port-au-Prince starting to look like the ‘Paris of the Caribbean?’

The answers are no, no, no, no and no; and to all other questions regarding Haitian wellbeing and Dominican help, it will continue to be NOOOOO.

So what exactly is your stance in this argument? If you're not trying to impose the Haitian problem on the Dominican Republic, then I guess we were done ever since I published the OP.

In the 1960s the world didn't need another Cuba, in the 2010s it doesn't need another Haiti. With one of each is more than enough.

05-19-2011, 01:47 AM	#13
yharmon6614 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 387 Senior Member	why than doesn't the dominican government enact laws to regulate haitian immigration, these messures could and should include better control at the border? Immigration Law 285-04 Article 17: Paragraph 3 of the Constitution revised in 2010 if there is one lesson on illegal immigration that applies world wide, it is the fact that you can't control your borders, it is simply not possible. I’ve been wondering why a few years ago it was quite normal to hear of terrorist attacks, almost on a daily basis, somewhere in Israel. The news was just filled with those stories, day in and day out. Then they became serious about controlling the flow at their borders, particularly with the West Bank, and turned a deaf ear to the international community (being backed economically by the US is always a plus when doing the deaf ear ‘thing’); and voila, terrorist blowing themselves all over Israel, killing hundreds of Israelis at a time, are now a very rare event. But, I guess you’re right, mariot. It’s simply not possible to control borders. Is the fence effective? The fence makes the difference if the dominican government were able to shut down the border completely, pressure would rise in haiti, worsening the situation, and leading to another crisis, which would affect the dominican republic too, as every major crisis in haiti does. Yes, every Haitian crisis affects the DR via massive migration flows precisely due to a hands off approach to guarding the border; but if the border is properly guarded (see response prior to this one), then such effects can be reduced to a negligible level. And pressure would rise in Haiti, if the Haitian government doesn’t take its role seriously. A little pressure with no exit for the steam could be what’s needed for the Haitian government to get its act together. If that fails, the international community would have to intervene. In such case, foreign military intervention is the best possible solution since Haiti has never been in disarray in any of the direct military/political interventions the country has been subjected at various times in its history. the dominican government does not have the resources to solve haitis internal problems and effectively reduce poverty there. Ok then, you fully understand the issue, which naturally leads to this: What exactly are your arguing for? There’s nothing the DR can do to save Haiti and its people, absolutely nothing. The help and solidarity during the aftermath of the earthquake has proven to be great for publicity, but did it made a visible dent in reducing the number of people living in tents in Port-au-Prince, one year after the earthquake? Are Haitians now eating healthier and drinking clean water thanks to the massive help the Dominican government and people have given during the past year and some months? Do Haitians no longer fear raping gangs, drug traffickers controlling entire neighborhoods, and other degradations in quality of life and public safety? Is Port-au-Prince starting to look like the ‘Paris of the Caribbean?’ The answers are no, no, no, no and no; and to all other questions regarding Haitian wellbeing and Dominican help, it will continue to be NOOOOO. So what exactly is your stance in this argument? If you're not trying to impose the Haitian problem on the Dominican Republic, then I guess we were done ever since I published the OP. In the 1960s the world didn't need another Cuba, in the 2010s it doesn't need another Haiti. With one of each is more than enough.
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