[yharmon6614]

you and i know that that is what the dominican fence would look like.

I’m sure that’s what the detractors of the Israeli fence were hoping for. Unfortunately for them, what was actually built turns out to be quite effective.

besides, the dr is located on an island, so what are you going to do? sorround the whole country with a fence?

Everyone will not be willing to turn to the seas in an attempt of escaping Haiti. An Israeli style border fence would effectively raise the bar and put the notion of migrating to the DR at the same level as is migration to Cuba, Jamaica or beyond.

as evidenced by dominicans constantly complaining about haiti.

Dominicans constantly complain about illegal Haitian immigration, Haiti itself is hardly given any thoughts.

haiti poses a threat to dominican security

The problems of Haiti poses a threat to the stability of the whole island if the DR is forced to carry that cross. Read the last respond in this post.

other governments don't care, because haiti is no security risk for them.

Exactly, Haiti is no security risk for any other government and neither for the Dominican Republic. But illegal Haitian immigration IS a threat to the Dominican Republic, to Cuba, to the United States, to the Bahamas, to the French West Indies, to Jamaica; and every other country/territory where illegal immigration from Haiti has been identified by their government as a serious problem to be dealt with.

For some countries containment is the only viable option given its economic and government budget constraints, while other countries can greatly afford to cause profound change in Haiti but choose to do the bare minimum.

putting into your constitution that children of illegal immigrants will not be dominicans is not a regulation of illegal migration, it's only prolonging the problem. these children will have no secure status, therefore they will not get an education, and hence they will resort to begging, working in the informal economy and crime.

Haitian children are getting an education because the admittance process into a public school is strictly forbidden to take legal status into consideration. What the constitution says is only a small part of the disincentive towards illegal immigration. There’s the migration law, which clearly states the procedure with which migration issues are to be dealt with.

when you realize that the costs for maintaining that fence are too high, and shutting down your borders didn't work, you can try and find another solution, independent from foreign pressures.

Aside from the Haitians solving their own problem with help from the international community, there are no other solutions. Plus, a fence like the one Israel is building has a simple and low maintenance cost. This is not a road that needs to be repaved every year or other structures that mainly lose their aesthetic aspects with lack of maintenance, but the integrity of such structures and their functionality remains.

This is nothing more than a reinforced concrete fence, not meant to be an architectural beauty. Just like the Citadel in northern Haiti has survived the ravages of time, despite scant maintenance, so too would a well constructed Israeli style fence.

investing money n it is a good start, which you would be able to do, because you no longer have to spend half your budget on dept payments.

The Dominican government and its tax payers are not responsible for the Haitian government’s constituents. And even if it was forced to take care of the entire island, the Dominican budget wouldn’t be enough to do much. At the very best, the Dominican side would degrade considerably.

Take a look at the following government budgets on a per person basis (in US dollars):

Dom Rep: $700
Jamaica: $1,379
Puerto Rico: $1,750
Cuba: $4,273
USA: $6,386
Canada: $17,824
France: 18,462

Look what happens under the when Haiti’s problems are added to each country independently:

Dom Rep: $355 (50% decline)
Jamaica: $315 (77%)
Puerto Rico: $511 (71%)
Cuba: $2,238 (48%)
United States: $6,192 (3%)
Canada: $13,773 (23%)
France: $16,000 (13%)

The numbers speak for themselves, and all of those countries except Puerto Rico and Canada, are threatened with the illegal immigration flow from Haiti. They all deal with Haiti in the same way. While some are forced due to not being able to afford Haiti’s problems (Dom Rep, Cuba, Jamaica, etc), for others it’s more of a choice (USA, etc).

Taking Haiti’s problems would decline the Dominican budget on a per capita basis by 50%; causing a very serious degradation of Dominican infrastructure, institutions and quality of life that would threaten the social and political stability of the whole island. Plus Haiti’s gain will be negligible.

On the other hand, the USA would only see a 3% decline with practically no impact in the USA, but dramatic changes all over Haiti. This would be the best deal on the list, since it has practically no effect in the rich country but a very profound effect in the impoverished one.

France would see a 15% decline, which would most likely have a moderately negative effect in France, but a considerably positive effect all over Haiti. In fact, Haiti’s problems becoming a responsibility of France would grant the Caribbean nation the greatest benefits that it could have with any of the countries listed.

This is before deducting the fixed expenses and obligations for each government.

The fundamental basis of your argument is a very big reason for why Haiti failed. They need to start creating wealth from which to live from rather than ransacking other people’s wealth (first they destroyed their own capitalist base and a good deal of its environment, and now are on the prowl for other countries stuff.) This resembles a virus that needs to invade healthy cells from which to suck all the valuable stuff to procreate, and then the offspring destroy the cell as they spring into a life dedicated to searching for new cells to repeat the process again.

The question that one is making: what will happen when there are no more cells to destroy? How will the virus survive?

I’m basically done arguing this with you since we’re simply going in circles, evidence that your argument is mute. You seem to want to go around the bush, making assumptions that in your mind would lead to a unification of the island or greater involved of the DR with Haiti. It’s very clear you know not much will be accomplished with this, except a serious degradation of quality of life on the Dominican side. It’s almost as if you perceive this as one more act of anti-Haitianism; rather than what it is, protecting from a massive disaster that could sink the whole island if nothing is done to contain it, since there are no solutions to Haiti’s problems without the cooperation of the international community.

The data speak for themselves.

So, keep beating around the bush if you like.