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**Sarah Armstrong** · 11-30-2010, 08:36 AM

the description in red describes about 85% of the origins of modern day Haitian culture..including language, food, customs. The vast majority of the populace is fully or partially from the exact "pagan" sub Saharan AFRICAN region. You take pains to assert that you are "Haitian" so I assumed that regardless of what your personal beliefs were that you could speak with some authority about most aspects of Haitian culture. I figured that you had studied, on your own, as I did.

I'm glad you posted the line though because, it was the strength that the Africans drew upon from spiritual "pagan" faith and a complete detachment from the forced acculturation that the French imposed christianity.

The maroon societies in the other colonies in the Americas were composed of Africans who retained and held on to their core beliefs and who never succumbed to the slavers' imposed culture.

the imposed christianity was taught to have the slave accept their fate as slaves and wish for freedom in the afterlife.

I also think that you are misusing the term "pagan". On Dec. 25 if you're opening presents with family....you're practicing a "pagan" custom..albiet a European, which has been absorbed into European culture...SEVERAL other of customs, holidays, traditions that YOU observe are from "pagan" origins also. ..but they aren't "sub Saharan African" so I guess they are OK.

85 percent of the culture? interesting claim you are making, i suppose kreyol is 85 percent african? i suppose 85 percent of Haiti and its architecture is african? i suppose most people favor african clothes, the music is purely african? food??? au parle kreyol? m bezwen pou kompran. Konbyen tan wap passe nan Ayiti. there is no doubt that african culture plays a huge role in Haitian culture and the majority of its people, i simply said voodoo is not part of my life being it is not my religion, and many many many other People in Haiti share the same feeling on the ((pagan)) based religions as i do, i take a much more tolerant stance than your protestant Haitian or even many devout non Vodou practicing catholics take on this subject so ease up no one is attacking you or vodou. you are extremely volatile you tell me you are a elder and smarter than me but you take offense to everything said and cry and whine. it is hard for me to respect you when you take such a volatile stance on everything said. i simply said it is something i take little interest on in a personal sense, but i can tell you all about the Loa, baron samdie and his role and power, i can tell you about how vodou religion plays a role Haitian music, i can tell you about different customs and rituals within ceremony. i have even filmed several rituals in the nord of Haiti, just not for my faith.

11-30-2010, 08:36 AM	#38
Sarah Armstrong Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 554 Senior Member	the description in red describes about 85% of the origins of modern day Haitian culture..including language, food, customs. The vast majority of the populace is fully or partially from the exact "pagan" sub Saharan AFRICAN region. You take pains to assert that you are "Haitian" so I assumed that regardless of what your personal beliefs were that you could speak with some authority about most aspects of Haitian culture. I figured that you had studied, on your own, as I did. I'm glad you posted the line though because, it was the strength that the Africans drew upon from spiritual "pagan" faith and a complete detachment from the forced acculturation that the French imposed christianity. The maroon societies in the other colonies in the Americas were composed of Africans who retained and held on to their core beliefs and who never succumbed to the slavers' imposed culture. the imposed christianity was taught to have the slave accept their fate as slaves and wish for freedom in the afterlife. I also think that you are misusing the term "pagan". On Dec. 25 if you're opening presents with family....you're practicing a "pagan" custom..albiet a European, which has been absorbed into European culture...SEVERAL other of customs, holidays, traditions that YOU observe are from "pagan" origins also. ..but they aren't "sub Saharan African" so I guess they are OK. 85 percent of the culture? interesting claim you are making, i suppose kreyol is 85 percent african? i suppose 85 percent of Haiti and its architecture is african? i suppose most people favor african clothes, the music is purely african? food??? au parle kreyol? m bezwen pou kompran. Konbyen tan wap passe nan Ayiti. there is no doubt that african culture plays a huge role in Haitian culture and the majority of its people, i simply said voodoo is not part of my life being it is not my religion, and many many many other People in Haiti share the same feeling on the ((pagan)) based religions as i do, i take a much more tolerant stance than your protestant Haitian or even many devout non Vodou practicing catholics take on this subject so ease up no one is attacking you or vodou. you are extremely volatile you tell me you are a elder and smarter than me but you take offense to everything said and cry and whine. it is hard for me to respect you when you take such a volatile stance on everything said. i simply said it is something i take little interest on in a personal sense, but i can tell you all about the Loa, baron samdie and his role and power, i can tell you about how vodou religion plays a role Haitian music, i can tell you about different customs and rituals within ceremony. i have even filmed several rituals in the nord of Haiti, just not for my faith.
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