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**vipbunter** · 10-14-2009, 12:07 AM

I went to my first ever trance saturday, and asked the guide a question about animal creulty, and he said if it`s really bad then you get sent to the lower realms.And i then asked him bout the lower realms, and he said that they will still be attached to the earth and doing what they where doing or something like that.So like does that mean if someone was clubbing an animal to death or fur farming and skinning them alive, would they still be doing that in the lower realms?
And what is it like in the lower realms an how would they progress and suffer?
Please can someone explain the lower realms to me and help me out please.

Millions thanks to the person/people who do/does.

Carl

Hi Carl, the following post comes from what I have experienced, been taught and understand.

Any person who causing suffering and cruelty to any animal are accountable for the effects inflicted when the person crosses over. These are not judged by another being though, this judgement comes from self, we are each personally responsible for how we interact with other people and animals during our time on the earth plane. It has been noted by spiritual teachers and guides, those who are highly evolved, that no one can avoid the natural laws, those which govern the universe and this includes the spirit world.

When we cross over to the spirit world which consists of many planes or different levels we are home, back to the the origins of our source. Some people are said to find themselves in a world which is similar to the one we have left, which is why they don't realise they are 'dead'. For those people who have no awareness or knowledge of spiritual matters they are likely to find themselves on this plane. Not every person will be on this lower realm, the majority will evolve to a level where they will feel comfortable and not feel out of place. The Law of Attraction means we will once again be re-united with all the people who we love.

The Astral World, sometimes referred to by some as the lower realms is essentially for the many people who are uninstructed and ignorant of any spiritual realities. It is a level where the more material minded people remain, those who have no desire to leave the physical world and all they enjoyed behind. They can continue to do whatever they enjoyed doing in their physical lives. This however does not mean to say they are causing suffering and pain to any animals or people, far from it. There is no pain or suffering in the spirit world for any one soul, this belongs to the physical world. The spirit world is a world of thought and thought is their reality. All acts of wrong doing will keep people on this plane until they start to show signs of remorse for deeds done. When it becomes obvious their consciousness is awakening to different realities of thought, these signs are quickly acted on by higher evolved souls straight away to enable the soul to progress from the darkness of their ignorance, or the wrongful deeds of thoughts and actions, moving towards the next higher level appropriate to that souls evolvement.

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vipbunter Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 426 Senior Member	I went to my first ever trance saturday, and asked the guide a question about animal creulty, and he said if it`s really bad then you get sent to the lower realms.And i then asked him bout the lower realms, and he said that they will still be attached to the earth and doing what they where doing or something like that.So like does that mean if someone was clubbing an animal to death or fur farming and skinning them alive, would they still be doing that in the lower realms? And what is it like in the lower realms an how would they progress and suffer? Please can someone explain the lower realms to me and help me out please. Millions thanks to the person/people who do/does. Carl Hi Carl, the following post comes from what I have experienced, been taught and understand. Any person who causing suffering and cruelty to any animal are accountable for the effects inflicted when the person crosses over. These are not judged by another being though, this judgement comes from self, we are each personally responsible for how we interact with other people and animals during our time on the earth plane. It has been noted by spiritual teachers and guides, those who are highly evolved, that no one can avoid the natural laws, those which govern the universe and this includes the spirit world. When we cross over to the spirit world which consists of many planes or different levels we are home, back to the the origins of our source. Some people are said to find themselves in a world which is similar to the one we have left, which is why they don't realise they are 'dead'. For those people who have no awareness or knowledge of spiritual matters they are likely to find themselves on this plane. Not every person will be on this lower realm, the majority will evolve to a level where they will feel comfortable and not feel out of place. The Law of Attraction means we will once again be re-united with all the people who we love. The Astral World, sometimes referred to by some as the lower realms is essentially for the many people who are uninstructed and ignorant of any spiritual realities. It is a level where the more material minded people remain, those who have no desire to leave the physical world and all they enjoyed behind. They can continue to do whatever they enjoyed doing in their physical lives. This however does not mean to say they are causing suffering and pain to any animals or people, far from it. There is no pain or suffering in the spirit world for any one soul, this belongs to the physical world. The spirit world is a world of thought and thought is their reality. All acts of wrong doing will keep people on this plane until they start to show signs of remorse for deeds done. When it becomes obvious their consciousness is awakening to different realities of thought, these signs are quickly acted on by higher evolved souls straight away to enable the soul to progress from the darkness of their ignorance, or the wrongful deeds of thoughts and actions, moving towards the next higher level appropriate to that souls evolvement.
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