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Old 03-16-2011, 12:58 AM   #33
poekfpojoibien

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Or here.
Basically what Asher has said in this thread:

1. Abolish the Navy because coastal patrol boats are good enough and other countries don't like losing wars
2. Abolish the Marine Corps because it's another army
3. America doesn't need an army because Canada is sooooo great!
4. Canadians! yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
5. There have been a few friendly fire incidents in the Afghanistan war, therefore see 4

The only thing that has any merit at all is #2, except that you may as well just cut the number of soldiers in the Army by the number that are in the Marine Corps and accomplish the same thing. Everyone (who is intelligent) is basically in agreement that procurement and such should all be under one agency anyways and that the level of separation between branches is counterproductive. So if you're talking about actual cuts and not just making the place more efficient, you really have no reason to believe that getting rid of infantry in the Marines would be a better idea than getting rid of infantrymen in the Army. So I'm just going to assume that you're trying to troll Alby.

At any rate, I think I can condense Asher's views down to one statement: No one will ever attack the United States if they didn't have a military! Or, alternatively: People hate the USA because it fights wars and wins!

Asher, you have no way to support that. Your thesis of "people only hate you because you fight in wars" is one of those things that can't be proven. Yet you like to back it up with "well it's true because your enemies say so!" I'm not sure what sort of brain damage causes you to take anything terrorists and dictators say at face value but I hope you someday make a full recovery.

To give you an example where your thesis could actually (theoretically) be put to the test, one of the proposals for the North Korean problem is for America to entirely withdraw from the Korean peninsula. North Korea insists that this will only promote peace and reduce tensions. China also thinks an American withdrawal would be a very good thing. If you are in any way consistent in your thinking (you aren't), then you would agree with China and North Korea. Given your past history of completely retarded beliefs, I wouldn't be surprised if you do.

So let's do some critical thinking here. America spends say 40 billion dollars keeping troops in the Korean peninsula. In return we have a country we can basically always depend on to be our ally and has, since the end of the Korean war, prospered into an economic giant with which we have enormously profitable trade. But no, we should take our troops out, because it makes the North Koreans hate us! Never mind that if we pulled out they'd try to conquer the South, thus losing us an ally, a trading partner, and allowing millions of people to die needlessly because we were worried about some crackpot dictator thinking we are meanie-heads.

America has to pick sides. We can't just sit everything out, it isn't possible, not for a country of our size and influence. When you are on top you don't have the luxury of trying to be everyone's best friend, because someone will always be trying to take your place. You really have no ground to stand on when you claim it is more in our interest to be a mega-Switzerland than try to arrange the world in our favor.
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