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**freflellalafe** · 04-20-2009, 04:16 PM

with the frase "if everything was solid and absolute before you're born" i ment that in that case there is no free choice no free will, you can not change direction, subgoal etc on the path. the path is formed by walking it, so when we are not here in a body we sort of dream ourselves a path into this world again, but arrived here in a body we are immediatly experiencing all kind of things and we are processing new data. this new data maybe in our choices we make. so also to make choices on the walking of the path. off course in reality we can have both, but that is because there is no "absolute". so i better had formed my frase like this? imagine everything would be absolutely predesteny, then free will would be abstract.

so then you mean if like our paths never had forks in the road, regardless that each fork is predestined itself? just one straight path? i think maybe theres still a chance of free will even then. because just because our higher selves would lay this out for us, it wholly depends on us staying on the path set for us. so in that sense, the pre-destined path can only serve as no more than a guide.

so in a sense pre-destiny even in a straight path is not absolute. lol it can get a bit mind-boggling lol

so basically, like i have been doing, learn from your experiences, ases things & ask questions to better understand your self & others you effect around you, for e.g when i had a relationship go wrong & we moved on i would reflect on what i did wrong or what the other person had done wrong to me, & take these lessons learned to the next fresh relationship, therefore i think when we have learned from our mistakes we grow mentally spiritually emotionally. i think the saying is you never learn anything unless you make mistakes. but to still be concious of being on a path of being a good person & still be seeking knowledge & answers, hope this makes sense

i think so - i think you can have an equal balance of following your path, knowing you walk one, and not lose sight of it. because you dont get lost in it. its like living in the now, versus constantly striving for the future. as much as its important to plan for the future, we must always live in the now as well, for equal balance.
i think its not just about learning mistakes, and responsibility for our actions, but forgiveness not just towards the opposing party but for ourselves as well. im learning this is one of the steps to loving yourself is to forgive yourself.

04-20-2009, 04:16 PM	#17
freflellalafe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 661 Senior Member	with the frase "if everything was solid and absolute before you're born" i ment that in that case there is no free choice no free will, you can not change direction, subgoal etc on the path. the path is formed by walking it, so when we are not here in a body we sort of dream ourselves a path into this world again, but arrived here in a body we are immediatly experiencing all kind of things and we are processing new data. this new data maybe in our choices we make. so also to make choices on the walking of the path. off course in reality we can have both, but that is because there is no "absolute". so i better had formed my frase like this? imagine everything would be absolutely predesteny, then free will would be abstract. so then you mean if like our paths never had forks in the road, regardless that each fork is predestined itself? just one straight path? i think maybe theres still a chance of free will even then. because just because our higher selves would lay this out for us, it wholly depends on us staying on the path set for us. so in that sense, the pre-destined path can only serve as no more than a guide. so in a sense pre-destiny even in a straight path is not absolute. lol it can get a bit mind-boggling lol so basically, like i have been doing, learn from your experiences, ases things & ask questions to better understand your self & others you effect around you, for e.g when i had a relationship go wrong & we moved on i would reflect on what i did wrong or what the other person had done wrong to me, & take these lessons learned to the next fresh relationship, therefore i think when we have learned from our mistakes we grow mentally spiritually emotionally. i think the saying is you never learn anything unless you make mistakes. but to still be concious of being on a path of being a good person & still be seeking knowledge & answers, hope this makes sense i think so - i think you can have an equal balance of following your path, knowing you walk one, and not lose sight of it. because you dont get lost in it. its like living in the now, versus constantly striving for the future. as much as its important to plan for the future, we must always live in the now as well, for equal balance. i think its not just about learning mistakes, and responsibility for our actions, but forgiveness not just towards the opposing party but for ourselves as well. im learning this is one of the steps to loving yourself is to forgive yourself.
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