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**Longwow** · 05-11-2007, 12:23 AM

so they still haven't met and i don't think i'm ready. here's why.

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my fear at the present time (and i know i should not fear anything) is that if my dad questions mark and mark answers honestly (like i know he will) my dad will have his entire congregation praying for my salvation (if he doesn't already).

i believe in the power of prayer and meditation, especially when done in a group. david told of a group of 7000 people who meditated in israel for world peace, and terrorism etc. was reduced at that time by something like 73%. that's mind boggling.

so, i'm afraid of what my dad can do to me through group prayer.

i know that i have awakened. i truly believe in the law of one - that all is one. i am on my second read of the loo study guide. i love reading q'uo. i love this forum. it has been very helpful to me. i know mark and many of you say to ask your higher self for guidance and to look within yourself for the answers - and i do. i just feel that at the present moment i am blocked from being able to progress and grow.

i have made some progress in trying to meditate but then negative thoughts creep in and i can't focus. it bothers me immensely that i feel blocked. i don't understand why. it's very frustrating. i have read all kinds of stuff on how to meditate and how to unblock your chakra's etc., but i guess i just need to keep trying and perhaps lose the fear that my father is capable of impeding my progress.

i guess my point is that i don't need anything working against me - like my father. maybe if i knew that there were some positive thoughts and energy coming my way from the forum members it would help.

just writing all this has helped.

so be sure inquiring minds that when i am ready for my father and mark to meet, i will let him tell the tale and i'm sure it will be a good one. he really has no idea what he is in for!

kris

hi, kris.

thanks so much for the update ... your predicament has been much on my mind.

here is my take on it. a telephone conversation just won't do! it has to be face to face -- (with a rather largish table in between!)

a person such as your father is at his exhalted "best" in dealing with other sects who, as he most likely does, "believe" in the literal truth of the holy scriptures.

since mark is not such a "bible believer" your father can't use his carefully honed, irresistible scriptural interpretations against mark's shaky, inferior dogma -- you see, there would then be no common ground of agreement concerning the bible to support a meaningful theological argument ... in this special case your dad's six-shooter bible turns out to be loaded with nothing but noisy blanks.

the only alternative he has is to fall back on secular logic to then build a case supporting the bible.

kris, please don't be spooked by thoughts of prayers directed for your "salvation" thank him and his congregation for the spiritual help. assume that this fothcoming energy will be heartfelt and meant to help you to, well, "come into the knowledge of the truth". such prayer is not of the type that can "brainwash" you against your convictions --use the good aspects of the energy boost for the good!

being at one time a vigorous defender of the faith i'm naturally curious about your father's denomination. please inquire about his organization. (even if one claims to be non-denominational they still fall into a particular descriptive grouping) you might ask him if he is a calvinist or an arminian. that should get a reaction!

since all that would be getting away from the law of one you could drop me a private message at my personal info spot.

concerning the loo. the concept that all would be resolved by the one creator hit me right in the sweet spot. the idea of no-hope-hell and eternal damnation for even trivialities applied to the vast majority of the human race -- past present and future -- essentially makes classical christianity a virtual documant of horror, not hope.

i guess the whole idea of the three of you ever getting along smoothly in this incarnation is rather slim. arranging a confrontation is controversial... but, except for the fact that i was once confronted, i'd still be in much the same mind-set as your father... heck, we could be going out together picketing atheist conventions. (yeah, i did that ... even including a "newage conference

)

my best wishes --which amount to a prayer -- to you and mark, etc.

bill gieskieng aka billybobtheologia

ps

contemplate this: meditations seldom run smoothly -- maybe they aren't supposed to?

05-11-2007, 12:23 AM	#11
Longwow Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 389 Senior Member	so they still haven't met and i don't think i'm ready. here's why. [snip] my fear at the present time (and i know i should not fear anything) is that if my dad questions mark and mark answers honestly (like i know he will) my dad will have his entire congregation praying for my salvation (if he doesn't already). i believe in the power of prayer and meditation, especially when done in a group. david told of a group of 7000 people who meditated in israel for world peace, and terrorism etc. was reduced at that time by something like 73%. that's mind boggling. so, i'm afraid of what my dad can do to me through group prayer. i know that i have awakened. i truly believe in the law of one - that all is one. i am on my second read of the loo study guide. i love reading q'uo. i love this forum. it has been very helpful to me. i know mark and many of you say to ask your higher self for guidance and to look within yourself for the answers - and i do. i just feel that at the present moment i am blocked from being able to progress and grow. i have made some progress in trying to meditate but then negative thoughts creep in and i can't focus. it bothers me immensely that i feel blocked. i don't understand why. it's very frustrating. i have read all kinds of stuff on how to meditate and how to unblock your chakra's etc., but i guess i just need to keep trying and perhaps lose the fear that my father is capable of impeding my progress. i guess my point is that i don't need anything working against me - like my father. maybe if i knew that there were some positive thoughts and energy coming my way from the forum members it would help. just writing all this has helped. so be sure inquiring minds that when i am ready for my father and mark to meet, i will let him tell the tale and i'm sure it will be a good one. he really has no idea what he is in for! kris hi, kris. thanks so much for the update ... your predicament has been much on my mind. here is my take on it. a telephone conversation just won't do! it has to be face to face -- (with a rather largish table in between!) a person such as your father is at his exhalted "best" in dealing with other sects who, as he most likely does, "believe" in the literal truth of the holy scriptures. since mark is not such a "bible believer" your father can't use his carefully honed, irresistible scriptural interpretations against mark's shaky, inferior dogma -- you see, there would then be no common ground of agreement concerning the bible to support a meaningful theological argument ... in this special case your dad's six-shooter bible turns out to be loaded with nothing but noisy blanks. the only alternative he has is to fall back on secular logic to then build a case supporting the bible. kris, please don't be spooked by thoughts of prayers directed for your "salvation" thank him and his congregation for the spiritual help. assume that this fothcoming energy will be heartfelt and meant to help you to, well, "come into the knowledge of the truth". such prayer is not of the type that can "brainwash" you against your convictions --use the good aspects of the energy boost for the good! being at one time a vigorous defender of the faith i'm naturally curious about your father's denomination. please inquire about his organization. (even if one claims to be non-denominational they still fall into a particular descriptive grouping) you might ask him if he is a calvinist or an arminian. that should get a reaction! since all that would be getting away from the law of one you could drop me a private message at my personal info spot. concerning the loo. the concept that all would be resolved by the one creator hit me right in the sweet spot. the idea of no-hope-hell and eternal damnation for even trivialities applied to the vast majority of the human race -- past present and future -- essentially makes classical christianity a virtual documant of horror, not hope. i guess the whole idea of the three of you ever getting along smoothly in this incarnation is rather slim. arranging a confrontation is controversial... but, except for the fact that i was once confronted, i'd still be in much the same mind-set as your father... heck, we could be going out together picketing atheist conventions. (yeah, i did that ... even including a "newage conference ) my best wishes --which amount to a prayer -- to you and mark, etc. bill gieskieng aka billybobtheologia ps contemplate this: meditations seldom run smoothly -- maybe they aren't supposed to?
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