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**Longwow** · 01-13-2008, 12:22 AM

hi, guys

every time the subject of free will comes up my buttons get automatically pushed and i get twisted all out of shape. yeah. no kidding. to whit i just went and looked in the bathroom mirror -- it is true! ghastly reflection! (kidding...its always ghastly)

anyway, the subject has come up several times on the forum, and for those interested please do a site search under "free will" threads.

the title of this post hints at the phenomena of one having two wills...and as can be imagined they are often in conflict with each other despite the fact that they are like siamese twins in their coexistence.

our "ego" consciousness is where our sense of free will seems to abide. it must be understood, however, that such will is not actually free since it is an epiphenomenon stemming from an underlying cause. (think of a tail wagging a dog)

okay, but it seems free, as one poster pointed out. it seems to have the ability to arbitrarily will what it wills...tho it is often weak-willed and can't live up to its intentions...in fact the will oft times changes its mind in mid-stream ...which is not necessarily a measure of freedom but rather that of fickle caprice.

example: i "will" myself to give up smoking/drinking right now!

..... next day: well, maybe i should taper off.

i picked up some insights from dr. bruce lipton via his work, the biology of belief according to lipton's revolutionary findings (that back up the loo) a human is composed of some 50 trillion cells working in a surprisingly phenomenal condition of aware harmony -- instead of the neo-darwinian idea of the "survival of the fittest" obtaining we have instead a condition that might be best described as the "survival of the most cooperative".

dna is not the rigid potential limiter and instructor of the organism. the cells are instead aware and receptive to input from the environment, both physical and mental, with the cells outer membrane being their brain receptor. the cells are able to respond and adapt to ambient condition in a manner above and beyond the original genetic blueprint outline. (lipton, in effect, is reviving the long-discredited spirit of lamarckian evolution -- proposed some 50 years before darwin came along to trash it)

so, we have this amalgamation of symbioses called a body... fashioned along the way by whatever impinges on it. the software that runs this conglomeration via sending out multi-millions of instructions per minute is loosely called the unconscious mind; it has been programmed by reacting to the conditioning impact of experience, and it keeps plugging along, well set in its ways and course by sheer inertia.

note: the sub-conscious is immeasurably more powerful, by thousands, than that ephemeral, will-of-thee-wisp we most closely associate with and think of as the "conscious mind/will". when the teeny-weeny conscious will confronts the status quo of the humungus subconscious will, and attempt to change its learned course, it simply gets trampled under foot.

lipton was long frustrated in that simple positive affirmations didn't work worth a darn to retrain the psyche. serendipitously he did find a technique that was spectacularly successful in reaching and retraining the sub-conscious mind. a key technique was developed by a psychologist named rob williams using his psych-k method employing kinesiology.

so, we have discovered our enemy and he turns out to be (part of) ourselves.

so, our free will is free --- to be really sneaky in trying to out-psych big brother down below -- when trying to make major changes in the direction of the flow of our conditioned life style. done correctly, relentless, deeply emotional prayer/affirmation is an option.

for those of you who have made it this far, sorry for being so tedious...apologies for leaving a lot of holes in the sketchy outline above.

love! bbb aka free will bill

"whether or not we have freewill, the universe behaves as if we have freewill, which is really all that matters."

01-13-2008, 12:22 AM	#1
Longwow Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 389 Senior Member	hi, guys every time the subject of free will comes up my buttons get automatically pushed and i get twisted all out of shape. yeah. no kidding. to whit i just went and looked in the bathroom mirror -- it is true! ghastly reflection! (kidding...its always ghastly) anyway, the subject has come up several times on the forum, and for those interested please do a site search under "free will" threads. the title of this post hints at the phenomena of one having two wills...and as can be imagined they are often in conflict with each other despite the fact that they are like siamese twins in their coexistence. our "ego" consciousness is where our sense of free will seems to abide. it must be understood, however, that such will is not actually free since it is an epiphenomenon stemming from an underlying cause. (think of a tail wagging a dog) okay, but it seems free, as one poster pointed out. it seems to have the ability to arbitrarily will what it wills...tho it is often weak-willed and can't live up to its intentions...in fact the will oft times changes its mind in mid-stream ...which is not necessarily a measure of freedom but rather that of fickle caprice. example: i "will" myself to give up smoking/drinking right now!..... next day: well, maybe i should taper off. i picked up some insights from dr. bruce lipton via his work, the biology of belief according to lipton's revolutionary findings (that back up the loo) a human is composed of some 50 trillion cells working in a surprisingly phenomenal condition of aware harmony -- instead of the neo-darwinian idea of the "survival of the fittest" obtaining we have instead a condition that might be best described as the "survival of the most cooperative". dna is not the rigid potential limiter and instructor of the organism. the cells are instead aware and receptive to input from the environment, both physical and mental, with the cells outer membrane being their brain receptor. the cells are able to respond and adapt to ambient condition in a manner above and beyond the original genetic blueprint outline. (lipton, in effect, is reviving the long-discredited spirit of lamarckian evolution -- proposed some 50 years before darwin came along to trash it) so, we have this amalgamation of symbioses called a body... fashioned along the way by whatever impinges on it. the software that runs this conglomeration via sending out multi-millions of instructions per minute is loosely called the unconscious mind; it has been programmed by reacting to the conditioning impact of experience, and it keeps plugging along, well set in its ways and course by sheer inertia. note: the sub-conscious is immeasurably more powerful, by thousands, than that ephemeral, will-of-thee-wisp we most closely associate with and think of as the "conscious mind/will". when the teeny-weeny conscious will confronts the status quo of the humungus subconscious will, and attempt to change its learned course, it simply gets trampled under foot. lipton was long frustrated in that simple positive affirmations didn't work worth a darn to retrain the psyche. serendipitously he did find a technique that was spectacularly successful in reaching and retraining the sub-conscious mind. a key technique was developed by a psychologist named rob williams using his psych-k method employing kinesiology. so, we have discovered our enemy and he turns out to be (part of) ourselves. so, our free will is free --- to be really sneaky in trying to out-psych big brother down below -- when trying to make major changes in the direction of the flow of our conditioned life style. done correctly, relentless, deeply emotional prayer/affirmation is an option. for those of you who have made it this far, sorry for being so tedious...apologies for leaving a lot of holes in the sketchy outline above. love! bbb aka free will bill "whether or not we have freewill, the universe behaves as if we have freewill, which is really all that matters."
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