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**JetePlentuara** · 01-17-2009, 11:23 PM

the thing that impressed me about both david and the ra material is how much good sound sense it all makes on a psychological level. first of all, ra emphasizes that spiritual growth is a lot of hard work, and no one else is going to do it for you. taking responsibility for oneself is one of the most basic foundations of good mental health. secondly, david makes clear (in wynn free's 2004 book, p. 201) that one cannot leap into spirituality as a means to escape from the demands of physical life. rather, getting one's physical house in good working order is a *foundation* for spiritual health. i would say that the attempts to escape from physical inconveniences by trying to leap into deep spiritual water is the single most problematic notion i have seen recur in the re-emergence of interest in spirituality since 1975.

yes! couldnt agree more!!!

you know what this reminds me of? on the "what the bleep do we know" video, the irish guy (i have no clue what his name is, lol) says something along the lines of: it's not organized religion doing the damage to peoeple, its simply the peoples' insecurities that wreaks havoc on our world. and organized religion just plays off of that pre-existing insecurity. (it was a part on the topic or religion so that explains the context...)

it goes right along with what you are saying here i think. because really, people are looking elsewhere (be it religion, material things, co-dependent relationships, etc) to be secure with themselves or even just to distract themselves from themselves.

the truth is that the happiness, love, forgiveness, acceptance, and the answers you have always needed, are only to be found within you. you cant recieve them as a gift from an organization or person or anything else. you can only gift real love and acceptance to yourself. and only when you see the true value within, can you see it in everything else.

i agree with you 100%!!! you need a healthy foundation inside to build good values off of. if the foundation has holes in it, your house will teeter and wobble and maybe not even stand the test of time. its definitely a "from the ground up" kind of process and unfortuantely a lot of people try to do it the other way around...

01-17-2009, 11:23 PM	#2
JetePlentuara Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	the thing that impressed me about both david and the ra material is how much good sound sense it all makes on a psychological level. first of all, ra emphasizes that spiritual growth is a lot of hard work, and no one else is going to do it for you. taking responsibility for oneself is one of the most basic foundations of good mental health. secondly, david makes clear (in wynn free's 2004 book, p. 201) that one cannot leap into spirituality as a means to escape from the demands of physical life. rather, getting one's physical house in good working order is a foundation for spiritual health. i would say that the attempts to escape from physical inconveniences by trying to leap into deep spiritual water is the single most problematic notion i have seen recur in the re-emergence of interest in spirituality since 1975. yes! couldnt agree more!!! you know what this reminds me of? on the "what the bleep do we know" video, the irish guy (i have no clue what his name is, lol) says something along the lines of: it's not organized religion doing the damage to peoeple, its simply the peoples' insecurities that wreaks havoc on our world. and organized religion just plays off of that pre-existing insecurity. (it was a part on the topic or religion so that explains the context...) it goes right along with what you are saying here i think. because really, people are looking elsewhere (be it religion, material things, co-dependent relationships, etc) to be secure with themselves or even just to distract themselves from themselves. the truth is that the happiness, love, forgiveness, acceptance, and the answers you have always needed, are only to be found within you. you cant recieve them as a gift from an organization or person or anything else. you can only gift real love and acceptance to yourself. and only when you see the true value within, can you see it in everything else. i agree with you 100%!!! you need a healthy foundation inside to build good values off of. if the foundation has holes in it, your house will teeter and wobble and maybe not even stand the test of time. its definitely a "from the ground up" kind of process and unfortuantely a lot of people try to do it the other way around...
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