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**chechokancho** · 12-24-2008, 06:36 PM

i see this realm as a form of prison because suffering is something which we have to put up with here. all feelings are transient- everything changes, a constant cycle. a tapestry of pain and pleasure.

how can we get beyond such laws of this dimension and find peace?

perhaps there are dimensions far more harmonious than this one, which do not contain nearly as much suffering as there is here.

yes, suffering might be a necessary part of our evolution for a while, but are such extremities really necessary? does a child chose to get sexually abused? is there a good reason for all the suffering and pain caused by war? and every day, millions of animal suffer in auschwitz type conditions.

sorry to be so depressing, but it is in my nature to look at things and understand them, not turn a blind eye.

my roommate and i have been butting heads about this a lot lately. he sees everything as suffering and i see it as potentially joyous as full of suffering. in any moment, the deepest part of you is in ecstasy by simply experiencing. by tapping into this experience of experiencing a moment without value judgments, suffering can be overcome.

does the child choose to be abused? yes. why? it is an opportunity to balance the entity through understanding or by experience. this does not diminish the nature of suffering. i was abused in many ways (mild--i was not traumatized from these experiences) as a child and at this point in my life i can value those experiences because they have brought me to this point now. if we only look at one page in the book it might seem like a horrible story, but with the entire book in our hands, we may end up growing as a result of the whole story.

i'm not sure if it's faith or imagination, but i tend to focus on an unpleasant or downright horrible experience and see if i can figure out possible reasons for it to be the way it was, and usually it comes down to the unharmable, immortal nature of the soul. people become actors in the movies of their lives and this reality becomes a metareality. it can be seen as merciless suffering, or it can be seen as a benevolent allowance of our freedom. i would rather have the chance to suffer than have my experiences as a being limited. that being said, i haven't undergone tremendous suffering and agony. my perspective would probably be otherwise if i had.

i do, however, have an unshaken belief in the infinite, eternal nature of our being.

12-24-2008, 06:36 PM	#14
chechokancho Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 465 Senior Member	i see this realm as a form of prison because suffering is something which we have to put up with here. all feelings are transient- everything changes, a constant cycle. a tapestry of pain and pleasure. how can we get beyond such laws of this dimension and find peace? perhaps there are dimensions far more harmonious than this one, which do not contain nearly as much suffering as there is here. yes, suffering might be a necessary part of our evolution for a while, but are such extremities really necessary? does a child chose to get sexually abused? is there a good reason for all the suffering and pain caused by war? and every day, millions of animal suffer in auschwitz type conditions. sorry to be so depressing, but it is in my nature to look at things and understand them, not turn a blind eye. my roommate and i have been butting heads about this a lot lately. he sees everything as suffering and i see it as potentially joyous as full of suffering. in any moment, the deepest part of you is in ecstasy by simply experiencing. by tapping into this experience of experiencing a moment without value judgments, suffering can be overcome. does the child choose to be abused? yes. why? it is an opportunity to balance the entity through understanding or by experience. this does not diminish the nature of suffering. i was abused in many ways (mild--i was not traumatized from these experiences) as a child and at this point in my life i can value those experiences because they have brought me to this point now. if we only look at one page in the book it might seem like a horrible story, but with the entire book in our hands, we may end up growing as a result of the whole story. i'm not sure if it's faith or imagination, but i tend to focus on an unpleasant or downright horrible experience and see if i can figure out possible reasons for it to be the way it was, and usually it comes down to the unharmable, immortal nature of the soul. people become actors in the movies of their lives and this reality becomes a metareality. it can be seen as merciless suffering, or it can be seen as a benevolent allowance of our freedom. i would rather have the chance to suffer than have my experiences as a being limited. that being said, i haven't undergone tremendous suffering and agony. my perspective would probably be otherwise if i had. i do, however, have an unshaken belief in the infinite, eternal nature of our being.
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