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**CitsMoise17** · 11-17-2008, 05:39 AM

hi..

anyway, further down is stated that both obama and clinton are members of the illuminati, that obama is acommunist and that the communists are members of the illuminati :d

what would david w say about that? he seems to dig obama a lot

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yes indeed, whom in the whole world can you trust, everything seems to be the opposite of what it appears to be.

liliane

first i would like to state that i do not wish to be someone spreading fear but at the same time, i do not want to close my mind or ignore an idea solely based on the fact that it sounds negative. let me also say that i do believe that david is a man of good faith, that he really believes everything he is saying. i do not believe is trying to deceive anyone.

so here it is.

what if david was misled in some way? what if most of what he was saying is true but he was told a lie and he was not aware of it? how does someone know he is (or is not) being lied to? truth is only what you believe it to be. nothing more, nothing less.

i do not believe that david thinks of himself as someone who could not be misled in any way. i believe he is more intelligent than that.

let me explain myself. i’ve been thinking about this since barack obama’s first press conference. he had visited the white house prior to that. while campaigning, barack displayed a lot of confidence. he was very sure of himself. but at the press conference, he was a different man. he wasn’t so sure of himself anymore. he was hesitating and looking for his words. what happened in between? he met with president bush. that’s what happened.

i am not saying that i know what happened and what was said during that meeting (for some strange reason, i was not invited to that meeting!) but it seems to me that what happened was enough to rob him of his confidence. obama may not be controlled by the people of the new world order but they may have scared him in some way. fear is another way of controlling people.

david claims he will have an important role in obama’s administration. how is the president of the united states of america supposed to explain to the american public that he hired a man who pretends that we (well some of us) will soon turn into beings of the 4th density? how will he explain 4th density? how will he explain that david is the reincarnation of edgar cayce? how will the president keep his credibility after those questions?

here’s what i think in a nutshell. obama is nothing more than the continuity of georges bush’s politics. he does not plan to get out of afganistan or irak anytime soon. the housing crisis is the tip of the iceberg. the derivatives are a far more important a problem than what’s happening right now and almost no one is talking about it. i never heard obama addressed this issue either. i do not believe that barack obama will save anything or anyone. i do not believe that he is the man who will “change” anything.

barack obama also announced that he will retain the services of collin powell, one of the men who lied to the american public about the weapons of mass destruction. the only question that i have is “why?” why hire powell if not to continue the same politics of deception that was going on under the bush administration?

strangely enough, oussama ben laden is back in the news. we haven’t heard from him in a while. the timing is suspiciously good.

if the people of the nwo consider that david and his message are important and influential, do you not believe that they somehow would try to “get him on their side”? flattery would be a way to get to david who wants his message to be spread as wide as possible (and with good reasons). being asked to be an advisor to the president of the united states is flattering, don’t you think? they would also want david to say that obama is a good man.

have you seen those videos on youtube where we can see all those coffins? they are not hidden. there they are for everyone to see, in plain sight. the nwo must be pretty sure of themselves not to hide anymore. they must feel that it’s too late for anyone to react anyway. they do not feel the need to conceal their plan anymore.

call me crazy, call me enlightened, call me “joe the plumber” if you want to. i don’t mind. but react to this post. i hope that i am wrong. i want to be wrong. i do respect david and the work he is doing.

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11-17-2008, 05:39 AM	#16
CitsMoise17 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 400 Senior Member	hi.. anyway, further down is stated that both obama and clinton are members of the illuminati, that obama is acommunist and that the communists are members of the illuminati :d what would david w say about that? he seems to dig obama a lot (...) yes indeed, whom in the whole world can you trust, everything seems to be the opposite of what it appears to be. liliane first i would like to state that i do not wish to be someone spreading fear but at the same time, i do not want to close my mind or ignore an idea solely based on the fact that it sounds negative. let me also say that i do believe that david is a man of good faith, that he really believes everything he is saying. i do not believe is trying to deceive anyone. so here it is. what if david was misled in some way? what if most of what he was saying is true but he was told a lie and he was not aware of it? how does someone know he is (or is not) being lied to? truth is only what you believe it to be. nothing more, nothing less. i do not believe that david thinks of himself as someone who could not be misled in any way. i believe he is more intelligent than that. let me explain myself. i’ve been thinking about this since barack obama’s first press conference. he had visited the white house prior to that. while campaigning, barack displayed a lot of confidence. he was very sure of himself. but at the press conference, he was a different man. he wasn’t so sure of himself anymore. he was hesitating and looking for his words. what happened in between? he met with president bush. that’s what happened. i am not saying that i know what happened and what was said during that meeting (for some strange reason, i was not invited to that meeting!) but it seems to me that what happened was enough to rob him of his confidence. obama may not be controlled by the people of the new world order but they may have scared him in some way. fear is another way of controlling people. david claims he will have an important role in obama’s administration. how is the president of the united states of america supposed to explain to the american public that he hired a man who pretends that we (well some of us) will soon turn into beings of the 4th density? how will he explain 4th density? how will he explain that david is the reincarnation of edgar cayce? how will the president keep his credibility after those questions? here’s what i think in a nutshell. obama is nothing more than the continuity of georges bush’s politics. he does not plan to get out of afganistan or irak anytime soon. the housing crisis is the tip of the iceberg. the derivatives are a far more important a problem than what’s happening right now and almost no one is talking about it. i never heard obama addressed this issue either. i do not believe that barack obama will save anything or anyone. i do not believe that he is the man who will “change” anything. barack obama also announced that he will retain the services of collin powell, one of the men who lied to the american public about the weapons of mass destruction. the only question that i have is “why?” why hire powell if not to continue the same politics of deception that was going on under the bush administration? strangely enough, oussama ben laden is back in the news. we haven’t heard from him in a while. the timing is suspiciously good. if the people of the nwo consider that david and his message are important and influential, do you not believe that they somehow would try to “get him on their side”? flattery would be a way to get to david who wants his message to be spread as wide as possible (and with good reasons). being asked to be an advisor to the president of the united states is flattering, don’t you think? they would also want david to say that obama is a good man. have you seen those videos on youtube where we can see all those coffins? they are not hidden. there they are for everyone to see, in plain sight. the nwo must be pretty sure of themselves not to hide anymore. they must feel that it’s too late for anyone to react anyway. they do not feel the need to conceal their plan anymore. call me crazy, call me enlightened, call me “joe the plumber” if you want to. i don’t mind. but react to this post. i hope that i am wrong. i want to be wrong. i do respect david and the work he is doing. ___________________________________ thoughts change reality. think about it.
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