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Old 11-16-2008, 08:17 AM   #12
bppstorr

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okay there are definitely victims in this earthly existence...by "victim" i am speaking of people who have had horrible atrocities and acts of hate bestowed on them from birth by, lets say, literally hundreds of people or events coming across their life's path. until he/she is finally brutally mutiliated and murdered at whatever age, or become so distorted that they commit murder and go to death-row, or die of aids from being gang-raped 3650 times (everyday for 10 years) in uganda (true story). or deemed mentally disabled and locked away forever by the state bc they are "gone" just defacate on themselves and ingest their waste permanently. all because lack of love, lack of life, and overwhelming torture of a certain earthly existence had literally created a victim. what "higher self" needs to be raped everyday for 10 years?? what "higher self" needs to become so mentally ill and "unconscious" that they would ingest their own waste? what person deserves a life that leads to such hell?

sorry but "pull yourself up my your bootstraps" doesnt apply to tortured/enslaved people or mentally ill/retarded. it's a no-can-do, can't be done. everyone wants to say "sure, be strong, its in you to help yourself"... but what about those who do not because they cannot? total failures? i think not. victims is more like it. or someone was given a mental illness in life so that they can, whatever, "learn compassion" or "overcome it"??? what if they don't??? they commit suicide over and over again in hundreds of incarnations?they come back for more and more torture??

i'd say to god or the higher self, "ease up old chap, let this one absorb into the light, they had enough, theyre ready to come home"

not just obstacles/catalysts. whole entire lives of hell. i am saying that earthly existence does create victims. if hundreds of people contribute to a life of torture for one person, then that person deserves to be called a "victim" and should not be blamed for being raped from infancy and mutilated to death. because their higher self "demanded" balance???

yea i believe everything is connected and its an in-breath/out-breath of the infinite creator, we all come from one and will go back to one... but its too far of a jump to say that lives of hell, torture, and mutilation are agreed/decided upon and orchestrated or allowed by our higher selves. this is like saying that the "loving christian god" would send his children to hell. there is just a new-age spin on it... now your "higher self" sends you to be tortured and mutilated for balance?? just bizarre

i mean could anyone say right now that its fine if someone breaks in your house and tortures and murders you because your higher self agreed upon this for balance in this incarnation? i don't think anyone is "okay" with that happening to you personally right now as your reading this?


yes obastacles can be impetus to growth, but what about these tortured lives. please step out from the comfort of your the overpriced internet service that enables you to read this, and picture someone being kept as a torture slave, to be starved, tortured and raped daily from infancy until death. what did that victim learn of this incarnation? they would say before they drown themselves in a nearby watering hole to avoid being raped/tortured at sunrise, "wow i was born into this world and i have seen hate terror and pain, i have not seen love, what is this "love" others speak of? my genitals have been removed and so i cannot procreate... my legs and arms have been severed so i cannot work to feed/house myself and without food i will die. i can read barely, but i cannot comprehend why a creator would create any such place where anyone would be mutilated, terrorized, and be separated completely from this "love" thing. i cannot "love" myself because i do not know what love is, i just exist, and apparently i existed to expereince torture." or would their higher self say "wow, now i know what it feels like to be mutilated and tortured, now i'm balanced, yay!"?? what good does it for an incarnation to feel what its like to mutilated, even if they killed someone in a past life. there is definitely enough murder and death stored in universal consciousness that should easily be tapped into if one (higher-self) needs to know what mutilation feels like....

can we be so passive and apathetic and say that the "higher selves" of these human incarnations have decided to experience balance such as the experience of a "clitorectomy" or being tortured and having all limbs cut off until death, burned at the stake, gas chamber, etc. because this certain "higher self" enforced, advocated, or performed clitorectomies in a past life? these things have happened in the physical universe. far worse but i keep it mild.
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