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**jincomplet** · 10-07-2008, 08:52 PM

dear djdeeze and friends,

seems like it's time for a sunday school re-minder and i'm not being condescending, but for those who have forgotten what scripture says i hate to burst your or others bubble, but jesus was very clear in what one needed to do to be "saved."

http://bibleandquran.org/isjesusgod/ch3.htm

chapter 3 - jesus said "i am"

the absolute emphatic declaration, "i am" is the exact quality of the god of abraham which is described in exodus 3:14, where the words stand for the eternal person of yahweh. jesus declared that he existed even before abraham was. jesus is god, the yahweh of the old testament.

1. "i am" the way, the truth and the life

jesus said to him, "i am the way, the truth, and the life. no one comes to the father except through me." (john 14:6)

such my statement that i'm not going to "believe" in what "one" man says...

re-member though that i think that jesus is a way cool dude ;-)

be well.

david

i have to start by saying, david, i think that the whole "burst your bubble" part was a little uncalled for. i think that was really being said there and the way it was said was for a specific reason.

"i am the way, to truth, and the life"

the way to "ascend" is by following his example, not to be him, but to live "righteously" and to treat others as yourself.

"no one comes to the father except through me."

to me one is very misleading. but if taken in simplest terms, as he was trying to do for the common man of his time, he was saying simply: you must reach enlightenment to reach the "godlike" state of understanding. i don't personally think he meant himself as much as he meant that you must reach his level of understanding.

now again those are my take on that specific quote. but as i have read throughout the 13th-16th century there were scribes who translated the original bible into english and we persecuted and killed for doing so. it wasn't until after king james had his scribes translate it that the english version came into existence. this seems pretty obvious to me that there was something other a direct translation done there. and therefore the quotes must be taken with a grain of salt and then interpreted by the individual. again this is kind of hard to do if you take into account the hypocritical and heavily negative parts of this book. just remember that fear is just as strong a feeling as love, and that fear is known as the preferred type of control. if you fear some higher being or if you fear that someone else makes judgment on you, you will be much easier to control and manipulate.

to be honest, i'm not sure that is jesus actually existed as the bible states, being that it is written by man and altered by a king, being that there are no historians of his time that spoke of. the closest mention is of "christ" or "christus" which only means "anointed one", never a mention of this "jesus christ". now i do believe that the idea of a christ being a living person is great, if taken lightly and only as a sign that all of us are able to reach this "christness".

well to close i must say thanks to all who put there perspective in on this thread, it is a subject in which i've wanted to speak on but never had a place to do so because of the controversialists of it. most places i try to speak my opinions of religion and jesus have been very negative and though i never want put down anyones beliefs i think that all should take a step back and try to take a look at the situation through an unbias or objective mind. not to say that i am completely unbias, but i can take almost any subject and see from any side of taking a logical stance depending of the person(s) i'm dealing with at the time.

but i will put it this way... take others input with a grain of salt, but be sure that you recognize this grain of salt as another part of your own understanding and own perception. though each grain is small it is very important to recognize it part of the whole "salt shaker".

thanks for everyones time and energy, it is appreciated more than you'll probably ever know.

10-07-2008, 08:52 PM	#33
jincomplet Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 418 Senior Member	dear djdeeze and friends, seems like it's time for a sunday school re-minder and i'm not being condescending, but for those who have forgotten what scripture says i hate to burst your or others bubble, but jesus was very clear in what one needed to do to be "saved." http://bibleandquran.org/isjesusgod/ch3.htm chapter 3 - jesus said "i am" the absolute emphatic declaration, "i am" is the exact quality of the god of abraham which is described in exodus 3:14, where the words stand for the eternal person of yahweh. jesus declared that he existed even before abraham was. jesus is god, the yahweh of the old testament. 1. "i am" the way, the truth and the life jesus said to him, "i am the way, the truth, and the life. no one comes to the father except through me." (john 14:6) such my statement that i'm not going to "believe" in what "one" man says... re-member though that i think that jesus is a way cool dude ;-) be well. david i have to start by saying, david, i think that the whole "burst your bubble" part was a little uncalled for. i think that was really being said there and the way it was said was for a specific reason. "i am the way, to truth, and the life" the way to "ascend" is by following his example, not to be him, but to live "righteously" and to treat others as yourself. "no one comes to the father except through me." to me one is very misleading. but if taken in simplest terms, as he was trying to do for the common man of his time, he was saying simply: you must reach enlightenment to reach the "godlike" state of understanding. i don't personally think he meant himself as much as he meant that you must reach his level of understanding. now again those are my take on that specific quote. but as i have read throughout the 13th-16th century there were scribes who translated the original bible into english and we persecuted and killed for doing so. it wasn't until after king james had his scribes translate it that the english version came into existence. this seems pretty obvious to me that there was something other a direct translation done there. and therefore the quotes must be taken with a grain of salt and then interpreted by the individual. again this is kind of hard to do if you take into account the hypocritical and heavily negative parts of this book. just remember that fear is just as strong a feeling as love, and that fear is known as the preferred type of control. if you fear some higher being or if you fear that someone else makes judgment on you, you will be much easier to control and manipulate. to be honest, i'm not sure that is jesus actually existed as the bible states, being that it is written by man and altered by a king, being that there are no historians of his time that spoke of. the closest mention is of "christ" or "christus" which only means "anointed one", never a mention of this "jesus christ". now i do believe that the idea of a christ being a living person is great, if taken lightly and only as a sign that all of us are able to reach this "christness". well to close i must say thanks to all who put there perspective in on this thread, it is a subject in which i've wanted to speak on but never had a place to do so because of the controversialists of it. most places i try to speak my opinions of religion and jesus have been very negative and though i never want put down anyones beliefs i think that all should take a step back and try to take a look at the situation through an unbias or objective mind. not to say that i am completely unbias, but i can take almost any subject and see from any side of taking a logical stance depending of the person(s) i'm dealing with at the time. but i will put it this way... take others input with a grain of salt, but be sure that you recognize this grain of salt as another part of your own understanding and own perception. though each grain is small it is very important to recognize it part of the whole "salt shaker". thanks for everyones time and energy, it is appreciated more than you'll probably ever know.
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