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**9mm_fan** · 03-05-2008, 08:20 PM

i have problems with the concept of the death of jesus as being "unnecessary", then you could say that all suffering is "unneccesary".

if you are referring to my earlier comments, i sincerely apologize if my comments led to confusion. for the record what i said was, "seems like i recall ra discussing the suffering of jesus and calling it a valid path, but unnecessary. i think ra was ok with the suffering, but felt like it need not result in death." ra didn't say "unnecessary" that was my phrase.

what ra did say was that when jesus chose the path of martyrdom; it turned from work mixing love and wisdom and embraced martyrdom which is the work of love without wisdom.
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we do not imply that this course of unbridled compassion has any fault but affirm its perfection. it is an example of love which has served as beacon to many. it was q'uo who said that suffering is unnecessary, but they also say, "any experience may be suffered or allowed to occur, yet it is the experience which is not resisted which brings a lack of suffering." here's more from q'uo; why is suffering necessary? we would change this question to “why is experience necessary?” for as we have said suffering is not necessary, even for those who starve, for those who are naked, suffering is not necessary. the experience, the pain, be it ever so deep, does not necessarily bring suffering. for entities to turn and embrace their troubles it requires much, much learning, much grasping of the true nature of experience. the experiencing is necessary because you have chosen to manifest and to manifest one must accept space and time in a structure which creates a process through time or through space and in that process through time and space the reason for manifestation develops itself, which is to say that as each experience is processed within choices are made which advance the uniqueness of that entity’s identity. these experiences are as necessary as the text books of your classrooms. there must be some way of learning the lessons which are given in the school of life, for your incarnation is, indeed, a school, and it is a school which you enter in each incarnation with great hopes of achievement. yet when the semester begins the work is hard, painful and inconvenient, and it is only natural for the student to protest that inevitable grind of one project after another after another. is there no end to learning? no, indeed, there is not.

03-05-2008, 08:20 PM	#4
9mm_fan Join Date May 2007 Age 54 Posts 5,191 Senior Member	i have problems with the concept of the death of jesus as being "unnecessary", then you could say that all suffering is "unneccesary". if you are referring to my earlier comments, i sincerely apologize if my comments led to confusion. for the record what i said was, "seems like i recall ra discussing the suffering of jesus and calling it a valid path, but unnecessary. i think ra was ok with the suffering, but felt like it need not result in death." ra didn't say "unnecessary" that was my phrase. what ra did say was that when jesus chose the path of martyrdom; it turned from work mixing love and wisdom and embraced martyrdom which is the work of love without wisdom. [and also] we do not imply that this course of unbridled compassion has any fault but affirm its perfection. it is an example of love which has served as beacon to many. it was q'uo who said that suffering is unnecessary, but they also say, "any experience may be suffered or allowed to occur, yet it is the experience which is not resisted which brings a lack of suffering." here's more from q'uo; why is suffering necessary? we would change this question to “why is experience necessary?” for as we have said suffering is not necessary, even for those who starve, for those who are naked, suffering is not necessary. the experience, the pain, be it ever so deep, does not necessarily bring suffering. for entities to turn and embrace their troubles it requires much, much learning, much grasping of the true nature of experience. the experiencing is necessary because you have chosen to manifest and to manifest one must accept space and time in a structure which creates a process through time or through space and in that process through time and space the reason for manifestation develops itself, which is to say that as each experience is processed within choices are made which advance the uniqueness of that entity’s identity. these experiences are as necessary as the text books of your classrooms. there must be some way of learning the lessons which are given in the school of life, for your incarnation is, indeed, a school, and it is a school which you enter in each incarnation with great hopes of achievement. yet when the semester begins the work is hard, painful and inconvenient, and it is only natural for the student to protest that inevitable grind of one project after another after another. is there no end to learning? no, indeed, there is not.
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