dear kenneth and everyone, you may want to see this about st. francis: http://www.rosicrucian.com/ami/amien...rt_2_chapter_7 "...constant contemplation of christ and unceasing efforts to imitate him in all things. these exterior stigmata comprise not only the wounds in the hands and feet and that in the side but also those impressed by the crown of thorns and by the scourging. the most remarkable example of stigmatization is that said to have occurred in 1224 to francis of assisi on the mountain of alverno. being absorbed in contemplation of the passion he saw a seraph approaching blazing with fire..." (from max heindel's ancient and modern initiation) your sharing re-st. francis was perfect timing - this link was waiting in thewings for where to place! nina