[Anydayhybeall]

hummmm….
thanks, chris.
very related. spirals approximate and golden ratio is limit (successive terms) of not just fibonacci but many such numeric progressions and/or spirals. i got ‘golden ratio’ as type of geometric progression toward 2012 (with therein a ‘wall’…? technical math limit?). did not hear fibonacci as the ratio giving the geometric progression of time. however, in either case, (fibonacci or golden ratio), my question (including clarification of fibonacci aspect) is still more how can this geometric increase have any known ratio?
if you take any cycle with a division of 12 there will be golden ratios. 2012 relates to alignment with earth to galaxy center. therein the golden ratio
would relate to such a marker from the outside. however the progression of increase, (or again in one aspect – decrease), in time would be subject to many individual decisions and therefore irregular. (just my not-set-in-stone present thought.)

i do not believe in chaos theory, (ugh, ugh, ugh, lol), but i do see one of the common visuals used in that theory as helpful in this discussion. a wave has regular and therefore measurable patterns that can be measured even if increasing or decreasing in height, wind, current, for sake of discussion, being factors. however a known limit can be reached such as the wave cresting and foaming wherein something else happens, (sort of like the ‘wall’ david was referring to re: 2012): it ‘breaks/crests’. at that point it is not ‘chaos’ but usually going in other directions beyond measuring, (like every drop of foam etcetera as wave ‘breaks’). now, the wall itself can be predicted as major outside forces such as alignment to galaxy center or known height-of-wave/wind ratio. what i cannot see as having a specific ratio is the progression of time, (again either way), leading up to the ‘wall/breaking’ having a known ratio as it is a combination of many individual decisions.

so i want to know more exactly what the thinking was that led to david’s remark. i do not mind in one bit if it was not ‘scientific/mathematical’ just to know what it was. i did get the impression that he was being specific and exact and not ‘pulling-it-out-of-nowhere’.

sort of a side note but even the nytimes has noted that humans are going through an, (their word, not mine, lol), “…alarming…” rate of increasing mutation. this would therefore need be some sort of geometric progression also and as ‘unconscious’ perhaps geometric/regular and therefore measurable. david made some remarks regarding dna also and there i can see golden ratio involved. in many cases the smaller the life forms the greater the dna. but is now known that single celled organisms will communicate information worldwide within a matter of months, (as per lynn mctaggart and susan joy rennison’s works). as we are symbiotic with single celled life forms, (our intestines and such), they serve that function for us also. life such as insects can gather information over vast periods of time. they are like vw ‘bugs’, simply tuning up a known design. therefore the ‘group souls’ such as roaches that survive anything, (first to come back after nukes), are in another form of constant, (but very different), mutation and compared to them we humans, no matter how far back we think we have gone, it is nanoseconds vs. eons. (note mantis is a type of roach as per ‘lucid dreaming’ thread below).
still intrigued and want to know exact thought process that led to david’s very pointed remark regarding the progression.
but thanks, chris. the synchronicty of mentioning fabonacci was helpful for something else.
michael