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**Gabbavnf** · 02-22-2008, 08:45 PM

dear friends,

first john paul says this...

http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2heavn.htm

heaven, hell and purgatory
pope john paul ii

in three controversial wednesday audiences, pope john paul ii pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. this language of place is, according to the pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. in this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the church in her theology and saying what st. thomas aquinas said long before him.

"incorporeal things are not in place after a manner known and familiar to us, in which way we say that bodies are properly in place; but they are in place after a manner befitting spiritual substances, a manner that cannot be fully manifest to us." [st. thomas aquinas, summa theologiae, supplement, q69, a1, reply 1]

and then benedict says this nonsense...

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/sto...ns/0701686.htm

any wonder why so many are confused...?

divine love = unconditional love...

it is and will always be...

love is love...

love is not judgemental...

and that, my friends is what god is...

believe what you will though...

be well, be love.

david

god's love is great, but hell 'exists and is eternal,' pope says

by john thavis
catholic news service

rome (cns) -- god's mercy and love are great, but those who reject him should know that hell "exists and is eternal," pope benedict xvi said.

the pope made the comments during a visit march 25 to a rome parish that serves a predominantly immigrant population, including the city's Unknownino community.

in a sermon, the pope focused on what has become a running theme of his pontificate: the importance of divine love.

"only god's love can change from within the existence of the person and, consequently, the existence of every society, because only his infinite love liberates from sin, the root of every evil," the pope said.

that same love is reflected in the sacrifice of christ, who came with the concrete goal of saving souls, he said.

"christ came to tell us that he desires all of us in heaven and that hell, which isn't spoken about much in our time, exists and is eternal for those who close their hearts to his love," the pope said.

02-22-2008, 08:45 PM	#13
Gabbavnf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 510 Senior Member	dear friends, first john paul says this... http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2heavn.htm heaven, hell and purgatory pope john paul ii in three controversial wednesday audiences, pope john paul ii pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. this language of place is, according to the pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. in this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the church in her theology and saying what st. thomas aquinas said long before him. "incorporeal things are not in place after a manner known and familiar to us, in which way we say that bodies are properly in place; but they are in place after a manner befitting spiritual substances, a manner that cannot be fully manifest to us." [st. thomas aquinas, summa theologiae, supplement, q69, a1, reply 1] and then benedict says this nonsense... http://www.catholicnews.com/data/sto...ns/0701686.htm any wonder why so many are confused...? divine love = unconditional love... it is and will always be... love is love... love is not judgemental... and that, my friends is what god is... believe what you will though... be well, be love. david god's love is great, but hell 'exists and is eternal,' pope says by john thavis catholic news service rome (cns) -- god's mercy and love are great, but those who reject him should know that hell "exists and is eternal," pope benedict xvi said. the pope made the comments during a visit march 25 to a rome parish that serves a predominantly immigrant population, including the city's Unknownino community. in a sermon, the pope focused on what has become a running theme of his pontificate: the importance of divine love. "only god's love can change from within the existence of the person and, consequently, the existence of every society, because only his infinite love liberates from sin, the root of every evil," the pope said. that same love is reflected in the sacrifice of christ, who came with the concrete goal of saving souls, he said. "christ came to tell us that he desires all of us in heaven and that hell, which isn't spoken about much in our time, exists and is eternal for those who close their hearts to his love," the pope said.
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