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**neniajany** · 01-29-2008, 09:55 PM

hi,

here are my thoughts on this issue and i would qoute a famous passage from the bible that everyone knows:

"no one comes to the father except through me". john 14:6

for everyone (as based on how it is taught traditionally) this means you should worship and accept jesus as your personal messiah and savior to go to the kingdom of heaven. another interpretation would be to see this through the window of eastern philosophy which totally changes the meaning. in that view this becomes a 'this is the way to enlightenment' or a blueprint rather of how one should conduct their lives.

"when will the kingdom come? jesus said: it will not come by expectation; they will not say: "see, here," or "see, there." but the kingdom of the father is spread upon the earth and men do not see it." thomas 113

"if those who lead you say to you: "see, the kingdom is in heaven," then the birds of the heaven will precede you. if they say to you: "it is in the sea," then the fish will precede you. but the kingdom is within you and it is without you. if you will know yourselves, then you will be known and you will know that you are the sons of the living father. but if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty and you are poverty." thomas 3

in the traditional belief system as taught again (keep in mind that religion and spiritually are two different things) this points to following and worshipping jesus as christ/messiah/savior for one to enter the kingdowm of heaven or even to have glimpse of it. those passage can also be seen and interpreted as taoism wherein you are asked to find your own path to experience the kingdom of heaven essentially asking each of us to 'find ourselves' and to open our eyes.

ultimately think about this, would a trully perfect creator want to be worshipped? isnt that a sts concept? it is better to experience its creation to know itself and this is why we have time and this is why we have duality in everything (night and day,man and women,black and white etc.) because we are removed from eternity (aka distortion) and exists on the plane of time which realistically is an illusion. all we have is perspective relation to motion (theory of relativity) which we see as time because we occupy space.

01-29-2008, 09:55 PM	#15
neniajany Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 461 Senior Member	hi, here are my thoughts on this issue and i would qoute a famous passage from the bible that everyone knows: "no one comes to the father except through me". john 14:6 for everyone (as based on how it is taught traditionally) this means you should worship and accept jesus as your personal messiah and savior to go to the kingdom of heaven. another interpretation would be to see this through the window of eastern philosophy which totally changes the meaning. in that view this becomes a 'this is the way to enlightenment' or a blueprint rather of how one should conduct their lives. "when will the kingdom come? jesus said: it will not come by expectation; they will not say: "see, here," or "see, there." but the kingdom of the father is spread upon the earth and men do not see it." thomas 113 "if those who lead you say to you: "see, the kingdom is in heaven," then the birds of the heaven will precede you. if they say to you: "it is in the sea," then the fish will precede you. but the kingdom is within you and it is without you. if you will know yourselves, then you will be known and you will know that you are the sons of the living father. but if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty and you are poverty." thomas 3 in the traditional belief system as taught again (keep in mind that religion and spiritually are two different things) this points to following and worshipping jesus as christ/messiah/savior for one to enter the kingdowm of heaven or even to have glimpse of it. those passage can also be seen and interpreted as taoism wherein you are asked to find your own path to experience the kingdom of heaven essentially asking each of us to 'find ourselves' and to open our eyes. ultimately think about this, would a trully perfect creator want to be worshipped? isnt that a sts concept? it is better to experience its creation to know itself and this is why we have time and this is why we have duality in everything (night and day,man and women,black and white etc.) because we are removed from eternity (aka distortion) and exists on the plane of time which realistically is an illusion. all we have is perspective relation to motion (theory of relativity) which we see as time because we occupy space.
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