[PNCarl]

i come from an orthodox christian belief, which means "the correct dogma"

(ortho- from orthos, which means "correct", -doxy from doxa, which means "opinion")

according to it, jesus was not a mere man who was wise and divine. in a sense he was a wise person, but he was much more than that. in fact, he was all that a human can be: god incarnate, meaning a direct emanation from god and not a god's creation as man is, hence man is made by god, but born by man.

jesus was obviously the most non religious man ever existed on earth and appeared to be not fond of religions, which he knew they were nothing but belief systems. beliefs are one thing, belief "systems" is another, a political manifestation, made by man to establish order.

and this is true and agrees with what you wrote... because think this: can you imagine god being religious? would god ever need to be religious? who would god need to believe in and worship? jesus never told people to worship him and pray in his name, never asked anyone to bow to him and bring him gifts. on the contrary, he became a servant to everyone who loved him and in that sense he still is (i know because he is my friend )

when his disciples asked him "master, tell us, how should we pray? what prayer would be appropriate?", he answered:

"here is what you can say in your prayer and believe with your hearts:

our father,
the one in the heavens,
blessed be thy name,
your kingdom is yet to arrive,
your will is yet to be born,
as in the heavens, so be it on earth,
the food that we will need tomorrow,
provide us with it today,
and let us be free (forgiven) of our debts (-> karma),
as we let others (forgive) from their debts
etc."