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**stadiaKab** · 12-07-2007, 05:59 PM

[per moderator dw never attended a monroe institute lecture-he would have liked to, but couldn't afford it. he would listen to the hemi-synch tapes, but found "the consciousness shifts induced by hemi-sync to be too abrupt and forceful and [he]
much prefer[ed] doing it on [his] own without their assistance."

i have found in my experience that the "effectiveness" of these products (binaural beats) is limited. it is true, they did "accelerate" growth in the beginning, assisting with the experience of deep meditation (theta state). but, its a shortcut, and in my opinion, not a good substitute for proper "form" or "practice". i'd agree with david that they are a little "forceful", but also would like to add that after listening a few times, the mind becomes "entrained" and remembers the "music". in other words, these products are useful a handful of times, but after awhile, they no longer work like they did when they were "new", and one could claim, have the opposite effect with repeated use (entertaining the mind - not "quieting the mind")...

so, binaural beats and hemi-sync (i have 4 monroe cds, i guess 10 in all?) are ok and i still listen to them from time to time, but i wouldn't recommend spending your money. don't opt for shortcuts. the best result of using these products was "experiencing" certain states of consciousness, and in doing so, i've been able to "create" these states without their use. kind of like "switching". and, with practice, have been able to "enter" these states more quickly and easily, and experience these states for prolonged periods of time, not at the "mercy" of a the length of a cd...

the "only significant" obe that i consciously remember did occur during use of a binaural beat product (non-monroe). i was "in the moment" when i heard, felt, and "saw" a "shell" crack above my head, revealing a pure white light. it was both a first and third person experience. i saw no "form", nothing - just me in a shell with the top cracked open to reveal light. it only lasted a few seconds, but was truly an amazing, peaceful experience. i have never been the same since. unfortunately, this hasn't happened again, whether using this product or not. but, i can now say thats ok.

so, these products can "help" you "experience the moment", but it is still you, not the cd, doing the work. :d

12-07-2007, 05:59 PM	#8
stadiaKab Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 422 Senior Member	[per moderator dw never attended a monroe institute lecture-he would have liked to, but couldn't afford it. he would listen to the hemi-synch tapes, but found "the consciousness shifts induced by hemi-sync to be too abrupt and forceful and [he] much prefer[ed] doing it on [his] own without their assistance." i have found in my experience that the "effectiveness" of these products (binaural beats) is limited. it is true, they did "accelerate" growth in the beginning, assisting with the experience of deep meditation (theta state). but, its a shortcut, and in my opinion, not a good substitute for proper "form" or "practice". i'd agree with david that they are a little "forceful", but also would like to add that after listening a few times, the mind becomes "entrained" and remembers the "music". in other words, these products are useful a handful of times, but after awhile, they no longer work like they did when they were "new", and one could claim, have the opposite effect with repeated use (entertaining the mind - not "quieting the mind")... so, binaural beats and hemi-sync (i have 4 monroe cds, i guess 10 in all?) are ok and i still listen to them from time to time, but i wouldn't recommend spending your money. don't opt for shortcuts. the best result of using these products was "experiencing" certain states of consciousness, and in doing so, i've been able to "create" these states without their use. kind of like "switching". and, with practice, have been able to "enter" these states more quickly and easily, and experience these states for prolonged periods of time, not at the "mercy" of a the length of a cd... the "only significant" obe that i consciously remember did occur during use of a binaural beat product (non-monroe). i was "in the moment" when i heard, felt, and "saw" a "shell" crack above my head, revealing a pure white light. it was both a first and third person experience. i saw no "form", nothing - just me in a shell with the top cracked open to reveal light. it only lasted a few seconds, but was truly an amazing, peaceful experience. i have never been the same since. unfortunately, this hasn't happened again, whether using this product or not. but, i can now say thats ok. so, these products can "help" you "experience the moment", but it is still you, not the cd, doing the work. :d
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