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**klubneras** · 01-20-2011, 10:03 PM

Why do we need to be in another level of consciousness to seperate from our bodies? Why can't we just do it at will?

Well, with enough practice, some people can learn to just do it at will, I suspect.

Here's an analogy. I can completely relax my entire physical body just like flipping a switch. I can do this because I've practiced progressive relaxation for years and years and now I'm just so good at it that I can go "FWUMP!" (not literally

) and everything goes into deep relaxation. I actually get really annoyed with guided meditation and hypnosis CDs because they assume you need a lot of work to relax, and I'm always really bored with it when they go on and on and on about relaxing this and that and so forth. If I want to physically relax, I can do it, at will.

I do not, however, do this at will unless I'm in a safe place to do it, because collapsing in a heap in the grocery store and turning into floppy dead-weight is just not that great of an idea. Nor is it a good idea while driving, or, really, anywhere in public. Slump over into a heap on a park bench or waiting for a bus and you tend to alarm people, and you can hurt yourself if you fall the wrong way.

Most people can't relax like that, in the same way that most people can't change the focus of their awareness instantly, and even if you could do it, you'd have to be pretty careful where and how you did it, for the same reasons the going into complete physical relaxation in the deli department isn't a good idea.

For what it's worth, it's possible to develop a kind of split awareness and be, mentally, kind of in "two places at once". It's a bit like the way you might have multiple windows open on your computer with different things in them. One of them is going to be the one in focus, and the other(s) in the background, but you can switch between them, and if you set it up right, you can watch what's going on in the background one out of the corner of your eye. I do this all the time, literally and also figuratively with split consciousness (which is why I don't talk about OBE that much; I don't do it the way most people do, and so I haven't got much to say on the subject because I'm such a weirdo

).

01-20-2011, 10:03 PM	#3
klubneras Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 507 Senior Member	Why do we need to be in another level of consciousness to seperate from our bodies? Why can't we just do it at will? Well, with enough practice, some people can learn to just do it at will, I suspect. Here's an analogy. I can completely relax my entire physical body just like flipping a switch. I can do this because I've practiced progressive relaxation for years and years and now I'm just so good at it that I can go "FWUMP!" (not literally ) and everything goes into deep relaxation. I actually get really annoyed with guided meditation and hypnosis CDs because they assume you need a lot of work to relax, and I'm always really bored with it when they go on and on and on about relaxing this and that and so forth. If I want to physically relax, I can do it, at will. I do not, however, do this at will unless I'm in a safe place to do it, because collapsing in a heap in the grocery store and turning into floppy dead-weight is just not that great of an idea. Nor is it a good idea while driving, or, really, anywhere in public. Slump over into a heap on a park bench or waiting for a bus and you tend to alarm people, and you can hurt yourself if you fall the wrong way. Most people can't relax like that, in the same way that most people can't change the focus of their awareness instantly, and even if you could do it, you'd have to be pretty careful where and how you did it, for the same reasons the going into complete physical relaxation in the deli department isn't a good idea. For what it's worth, it's possible to develop a kind of split awareness and be, mentally, kind of in "two places at once". It's a bit like the way you might have multiple windows open on your computer with different things in them. One of them is going to be the one in focus, and the other(s) in the background, but you can switch between them, and if you set it up right, you can watch what's going on in the background one out of the corner of your eye. I do this all the time, literally and also figuratively with split consciousness (which is why I don't talk about OBE that much; I don't do it the way most people do, and so I haven't got much to say on the subject because I'm such a weirdo ).
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