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**Rategbee** · 12-19-2008, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by velvet Thanks, I actually given up. I release it will come when the right time comes. It can be discouraging and stressful when it doesn't work the way I expected it to to be. So it is better to wait but I'm still meditating though.

I stopped trying for a long time, but got some lucid dreams since then and "odd memories", meditation hypnagogics, etc. Showing me basically that I can do it, but my conscious efforts were maybe too strained? Letting go of ideas of "how it is done" can be a great boon to spontaneous experiences.

Ditto to CF on the chest pains. Trance can amplify and highlight existing problems.

Take care,
Oliver The chest pain are long gone plus it was just that night. I went last month to the doctor for a check up he said my heart is healthy. I have had problems with my heart when I was younger. It was a small heart murmur, but it is long gone.

I thought it was the heart chakra though, I been reading that sometimes when people are almost getting out they feel as their heart starts thumping fast or feels a sensation in the chest.

12-19-2008, 12:46 AM	#8
Rategbee Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 412 Senior Member	Originally Posted by velvet Thanks, I actually given up. I release it will come when the right time comes. It can be discouraging and stressful when it doesn't work the way I expected it to to be. So it is better to wait but I'm still meditating though. I stopped trying for a long time, but got some lucid dreams since then and "odd memories", meditation hypnagogics, etc. Showing me basically that I can do it, but my conscious efforts were maybe too strained? Letting go of ideas of "how it is done" can be a great boon to spontaneous experiences. Ditto to CF on the chest pains. Trance can amplify and highlight existing problems. Take care, Oliver The chest pain are long gone plus it was just that night. I went last month to the doctor for a check up he said my heart is healthy. I have had problems with my heart when I was younger. It was a small heart murmur, but it is long gone. I thought it was the heart chakra though, I been reading that sometimes when people are almost getting out they feel as their heart starts thumping fast or feels a sensation in the chest.
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