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**Dyerryjex** · 09-11-2008, 01:26 AM

Yeah, I know. I can't project at will yet, so the RTZ is pretty much out of the question for me to actively test right now.

But you can try.

I remember reading something about accessing the astral through visualization, with the drawback being the lack of direct control only being able to see it as well as visualized material. I think that it's reasonable, then, to be affected by an astral wind during this. This sounds like phasing. Is this what you mean?
I could be incorrect. You are probably correct, but there is a caveat, which I will mention shortly.
So, I tried it. I did this visualization-to-RTZ without actually remembering this wind thing until I started getting pulled away. I remembered then, and let it take me away. Clouds. A lapse in the visualization, and then I ended up in a strange swampy area. It didn't seem like a past or present. I'm not really even sure what it's about.

Wish I could project. Sounds like you projected to me.

Now the caveat: I've been consciously projecting for about 4-5 years, and can remember astral wind only one or two times. According to Robert's theories, astral wind/pulse probably happens regularly, but the trick is to be out of body consciously or exiting consciously when this happens. If it happens when you're awake, you're not going to know you did it, and if you're asleep you will probably not realize you got 'blown away'- you may dream of an event like it (that is, experience it subconsciously) and blow it off (pardon the pun) as 'just a dream'. So the chances of having an OBE and experiencing astral wind are probably relatively slim. Not slim per se, just probably won't be experienced as often as it actually happens.

Now for my other comment- Sachiel, if you are a natural phaser (that is, phasing into the astral comes naturally to you) and you feel the need to have an RTZ OBE there is a way (besides energy raising) to be able to complete the maneuver: You can phase into the astral, completely lucid (or as you can be), then ask to be taken to your body (and you will experience your body at that moment). Then, do not move, stay in trance, and soon you will probably feel vibrations- then do the rope technique (my favorite for vibrations or forcing the issue) and you will have an RTZ OBE. It may not last long but you will have the experience.
This method also works from a lucid dream- provided you can keep your lucidity when you decide you want your body awareness.
So good luck.

09-11-2008, 01:26 AM	#16
Dyerryjex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 727 Senior Member	Yeah, I know. I can't project at will yet, so the RTZ is pretty much out of the question for me to actively test right now. But you can try. I remember reading something about accessing the astral through visualization, with the drawback being the lack of direct control only being able to see it as well as visualized material. I think that it's reasonable, then, to be affected by an astral wind during this. This sounds like phasing. Is this what you mean? I could be incorrect. You are probably correct, but there is a caveat, which I will mention shortly. So, I tried it. I did this visualization-to-RTZ without actually remembering this wind thing until I started getting pulled away. I remembered then, and let it take me away. Clouds. A lapse in the visualization, and then I ended up in a strange swampy area. It didn't seem like a past or present. I'm not really even sure what it's about. Wish I could project. Sounds like you projected to me. Now the caveat: I've been consciously projecting for about 4-5 years, and can remember astral wind only one or two times. According to Robert's theories, astral wind/pulse probably happens regularly, but the trick is to be out of body consciously or exiting consciously when this happens. If it happens when you're awake, you're not going to know you did it, and if you're asleep you will probably not realize you got 'blown away'- you may dream of an event like it (that is, experience it subconsciously) and blow it off (pardon the pun) as 'just a dream'. So the chances of having an OBE and experiencing astral wind are probably relatively slim. Not slim per se, just probably won't be experienced as often as it actually happens. Now for my other comment- Sachiel, if you are a natural phaser (that is, phasing into the astral comes naturally to you) and you feel the need to have an RTZ OBE there is a way (besides energy raising) to be able to complete the maneuver: You can phase into the astral, completely lucid (or as you can be), then ask to be taken to your body (and you will experience your body at that moment). Then, do not move, stay in trance, and soon you will probably feel vibrations- then do the rope technique (my favorite for vibrations or forcing the issue) and you will have an RTZ OBE. It may not last long but you will have the experience. This method also works from a lucid dream- provided you can keep your lucidity when you decide you want your body awareness. So good luck.
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