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**bettingonosports** · 03-17-2008, 08:13 AM

CFT you said you were hovering in Focus 10-12.

My question is how do you know what focus you are in? Will this come with continuity of trance work, to where you can kninda feel what level you are at?

I know what level or focus I'm in because of the sheer amount of practice getting to it. I would describe Focus 10 (this may not be the official meaning) as being in trance but not having many hypnagogics, or they going fast. Focus 12 is that point where I know if I let go I'll just go to sleep, and have to make myself 'go back to awake just a little' and sort of dance there until I know I'm in complete and utter trance, but completely awake. And yes, it took a long time to be able to feel the difference between medium and deep trance. A long time.

Another thing is, what is the average time it takes you to induce a trance. About an hour most of the time, sometimes longer. You have to be able to commit the time when you get to a certain point, but don't have to do it every day- just pick a day of the week when you have time to do this. Other times just do energy work and your usual routine.

If i want to get in one it will take about 30 min, and i usually have trouble with it.
Does this too come in time with practice, making it easier to induce a trance? I don't know if practice makes it easier (although that may be the case) it just makes your own mental states recognizable.
Thnaks JS Welcoome.
p.s. sorry to move this thread in a different direction. So far it's good.
Oliver has written much about these states, I believe it's in the Monroe/phasing section.

03-17-2008, 08:13 AM	#9
bettingonosports Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 498 Senior Member	CFT you said you were hovering in Focus 10-12. My question is how do you know what focus you are in? Will this come with continuity of trance work, to where you can kninda feel what level you are at? I know what level or focus I'm in because of the sheer amount of practice getting to it. I would describe Focus 10 (this may not be the official meaning) as being in trance but not having many hypnagogics, or they going fast. Focus 12 is that point where I know if I let go I'll just go to sleep, and have to make myself 'go back to awake just a little' and sort of dance there until I know I'm in complete and utter trance, but completely awake. And yes, it took a long time to be able to feel the difference between medium and deep trance. A long time. Another thing is, what is the average time it takes you to induce a trance. About an hour most of the time, sometimes longer. You have to be able to commit the time when you get to a certain point, but don't have to do it every day- just pick a day of the week when you have time to do this. Other times just do energy work and your usual routine. If i want to get in one it will take about 30 min, and i usually have trouble with it. Does this too come in time with practice, making it easier to induce a trance? I don't know if practice makes it easier (although that may be the case) it just makes your own mental states recognizable. Thnaks JS Welcoome. p.s. sorry to move this thread in a different direction. So far it's good. Oliver has written much about these states, I believe it's in the Monroe/phasing section.
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