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I think that seeing means veiwing the energy of the universe without using any of our ability to structure what we perceive into any sort of system. Basically perceiving energy from the universe "as it is", without any sort of judgment. Perceiving without catagorizing and structuring what we see. Althoughy Dun Juan says that seeing wasn't really the crux of sorcery, he just used it as another one of his tricks in order to distract his pupils attention from the more important aspects of sorcery.

I beleive carlos casteneda books have much more instructional content than they seem to. I have read each book about 10 times ( literaly), and their is absolutely sooo much knowledge about the second body state in them. I have noticed so many similarities between modern understanding of the OBE and of what Carlos Casteneda went through. I have also noticed many similarities between Don Juans teaching's and Robert Bruce's idea's about OBE. One such example would be the mind split. I don't want to go into to detail here, but I beleive Carlos Casteneda's books add much merit to Robert Bruce's theories about the mechanics of projection. I will make a post with details some time soon.