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**bettingonosports** · 02-08-2008, 08:13 AM

This will probably seem like old news to many of you but I wanted to share an awareness I recently had, and ask some questions about how it all ties in to ones faith.. Historically I have always faced my OBE's with fear as I could not control when they happened. I have been working very hard to overcome this and with great difficulty.
The other night as I felt one coming on, I talked myself thru the fear and A wave of peacefulness washed over me that I cannot explain. It was at that moment that I realized my travels would take me higher than I had ever gone before by just letting go of the fear. I feel that my new realization of OBE's has forever changed my views on life and death, religion, and existence. It's hard to put aside ideas taught to you as child, but I feel that in many ways I have progressed far ahead of those I know who are still trapped in old mindsets. It's one thing to have faith in life after death, but quite another thing to be able to say "I know without a shadow of a doubt" Have any of you struggled with your religious beliefs after OBE's?

I haven't, because I was fortunate to understand that God and religion are not the same thing, and my religious beliefs are not really about fear, they are about love, and dogma is usually based on culturally passed on beliefs, not faith.

For myself, I seem to tie fear into every negative aspect of humanity. Fear creates a hostile, unsure environment that I would assume lowers anyones energy. That being said, how is it so many religions rely on fear as a tool to control behavior, beliefs etc... This cannot be a good thing? I am more than certain that my letting go of the fear will have positive aspects on my life in many ways. Because religion is what happens when a group of followers is unable to achieve the heightened God-aware states that it's founders have achieved, and they confuse the process with the result, and try to codify the process, and when followers cannot achieve those states, it then becomes about controlling others, and that's when fear sets in. Maybe they 'didn't live right', and that's why it doesn't work, maybe it's 'something wrong in them', etc, and before you know it it's about controlling. And control is almost always achieved through fear. Hence, religion becomes the opposite of it was meant to be- it's not about uniting man's consciousness with God, it becomes all about separating it.

If heaven is a place high in the astral dimension, one full of fear, uncertainty and negative energy would certainly not achieve this? Not sure if anyone sees where I am going with this, as I don't quite know myself. I am curious of what thoughts others have on this subject.
Ely . Well, now you know what I think.
CFT

02-08-2008, 08:13 AM	#2
bettingonosports Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 498 Senior Member	This will probably seem like old news to many of you but I wanted to share an awareness I recently had, and ask some questions about how it all ties in to ones faith.. Historically I have always faced my OBE's with fear as I could not control when they happened. I have been working very hard to overcome this and with great difficulty. The other night as I felt one coming on, I talked myself thru the fear and A wave of peacefulness washed over me that I cannot explain. It was at that moment that I realized my travels would take me higher than I had ever gone before by just letting go of the fear. I feel that my new realization of OBE's has forever changed my views on life and death, religion, and existence. It's hard to put aside ideas taught to you as child, but I feel that in many ways I have progressed far ahead of those I know who are still trapped in old mindsets. It's one thing to have faith in life after death, but quite another thing to be able to say "I know without a shadow of a doubt" Have any of you struggled with your religious beliefs after OBE's? I haven't, because I was fortunate to understand that God and religion are not the same thing, and my religious beliefs are not really about fear, they are about love, and dogma is usually based on culturally passed on beliefs, not faith. For myself, I seem to tie fear into every negative aspect of humanity. Fear creates a hostile, unsure environment that I would assume lowers anyones energy. That being said, how is it so many religions rely on fear as a tool to control behavior, beliefs etc... This cannot be a good thing? I am more than certain that my letting go of the fear will have positive aspects on my life in many ways. Because religion is what happens when a group of followers is unable to achieve the heightened God-aware states that it's founders have achieved, and they confuse the process with the result, and try to codify the process, and when followers cannot achieve those states, it then becomes about controlling others, and that's when fear sets in. Maybe they 'didn't live right', and that's why it doesn't work, maybe it's 'something wrong in them', etc, and before you know it it's about controlling. And control is almost always achieved through fear. Hence, religion becomes the opposite of it was meant to be- it's not about uniting man's consciousness with God, it becomes all about separating it. If heaven is a place high in the astral dimension, one full of fear, uncertainty and negative energy would certainly not achieve this? Not sure if anyone sees where I am going with this, as I don't quite know myself. I am curious of what thoughts others have on this subject. Ely . Well, now you know what I think. CFT
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