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they are so closed to any ideas that dont come straight from the bible.
Dear Arcticstoneage: If you want to make your parents feel better about what you do, and they tell you things like that, there are some Bible quotes that you can show them to show that the Bible does not proscribe what your interests are- that there are many christian mystics that do and have done this, and that just because some people select specific Bible quotes to exert control doesn't mean that it's wrong.
Here are some that IMO should cover this:
2 Corinthians 12
1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
5 Of such a one I will glory, yet of myself I will not glory, but in my infirmities. Obviously, here John is saying that people AP to get visions and Revelations of the Lord.
Revelation 4:1
1 After this I looked, and behold, a door was opened in heaven; and the first voice which I heard was it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be in the hereafter.
2 And immediatly I WAS IN THE SPIRIT, and behold, a throne was set in heaven and one sat on the throne. Here, John the revelator speaks of AP as 'being in the spirit'- He APs to have visions of the Lord.
Revelation 17
3 So he carried me away IN THE SPIRIT into the wilderness...
Revelation 21
10 And he carried me away IN THE SPIRIT to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Here he describes what would be a typical visit to one of the astral planes- as I interpret it anyway.
This, to me, from the point of view of a christian, is the most important one:
What did Jesus want us to do?
Corinthians 12:4-9
"Now there are diversities of gift, but the same Spirit.
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
And there are diversities of operations, but it is in the same God which worketh all in all.
But
the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit.
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another diverse kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues;
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ." It shows here that what some churches call 'sorcery' and 'evil' Jesus calls 'Gifts of the Spirit'. There is another quote which I'll have to look up when he says:
"For those who are of the Spirit, let no man judge"- This is somewhere in Corinthians also but I have to look up the exact quote, if you want it.
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