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**CedssypeEdids** · 12-05-2007, 05:04 PM

The question of why we are here seems to be a big factor in this. I agree with the idea that we are here because we are forced to be until reaching enlightenment, and after reaching enlightenment some people come back to help make sure that a way out is available to anyone who wants it. As a result, my idea of personal development is to become increasingly unstuck from this place.

See, here I disagree. I don't think we are forced. I think the aspect of ourselves that is beyond this world *wants* to learn something from this experience, and that is why we are here, not out of force, but out of a higher choice.

It may feel the same, sometimes. But I think the fact that there is so many help available to achieve so much is more indicative of the "choice option" than the "force option". I don't think life is a burden, but a gift. Your point of view may surely differ, but if I look at a sunset, or feel the wind on my body, when I see the vastness of the sea or a loving smile, then I (afterward) think we underestimate the human experience when we see it only in terms of overcoming it.

Even then life is not pure joy, but the potential for a joyful inner world no matter what happens around you exists. I cannot even say if "enlightenment" means the same for you and for me or anyone else - it is just a word. I strive for mastering the human existence, and IMO this entails becoming a full human first before moving on. No matter where we move on afterward, I think what we take with us from the human experience does matter. Robert Monroe wrote that the "graduates" of human existance have something special about them they can only learn here. It is an environment that supercharges spiritual growth.

Oliver

12-05-2007, 05:04 PM	#12
CedssypeEdids Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 692 Senior Member	The question of why we are here seems to be a big factor in this. I agree with the idea that we are here because we are forced to be until reaching enlightenment, and after reaching enlightenment some people come back to help make sure that a way out is available to anyone who wants it. As a result, my idea of personal development is to become increasingly unstuck from this place. See, here I disagree. I don't think we are forced. I think the aspect of ourselves that is beyond this world wants to learn something from this experience, and that is why we are here, not out of force, but out of a higher choice. It may feel the same, sometimes. But I think the fact that there is so many help available to achieve so much is more indicative of the "choice option" than the "force option". I don't think life is a burden, but a gift. Your point of view may surely differ, but if I look at a sunset, or feel the wind on my body, when I see the vastness of the sea or a loving smile, then I (afterward) think we underestimate the human experience when we see it only in terms of overcoming it. Even then life is not pure joy, but the potential for a joyful inner world no matter what happens around you exists. I cannot even say if "enlightenment" means the same for you and for me or anyone else - it is just a word. I strive for mastering the human existence, and IMO this entails becoming a full human first before moving on. No matter where we move on afterward, I think what we take with us from the human experience does matter. Robert Monroe wrote that the "graduates" of human existance have something special about them they can only learn here. It is an environment that supercharges spiritual growth. Oliver
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