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**Uplillacype** · 09-21-2007, 11:25 PM

I'll tell you how I see it (and it being my opinion, you can take it or leave it):
First, my opinion is that anything that involves breathing and body awareness is energy work, so even doing deep breaths to calm down when you're upset is energy work. Ballet:energy work. All types of martial arts: energy work; weight lifting, thanks to it's reliance on breathwork to stay healthy is energy work. When I was a lot younger and did some swimming, I remember doing deep-breath exercises to make me able to hold my breath longer. Guess what? I had all kinds of projections in those times, and cases of astral sight too. Now I realize that all that deep breathing had something to do with it. So I do believe we do a lot of inadvertent energy work, even if our lives are not centereed on the spiritual.

About the energy body: (And this is my belief, of course):
We exist simultaneously in all aspects of reality, including the astral planes. I am sitting here in front of the computer after only one cup of cofee

) writing about transcendental aspects of being

, and at the same time I'm thinking about my kid, wandering about in the astral checking on his unprojected double, and in the mental, buddhic, atmic, etc. etc. planes. At this point I could be talking to an avatar, guardian angel, someone else's higher self, etc. and even at the same time be taking a look at some of the hell planes, especially if I'm mad or worried about something.
My point is that you don't need a specific energy body to be in any of these states, which are natural to you as a multidimensional being- you do however need them to perceive whatever information you want to use or remember, and this (IMO) is why we have to cultivate it.
So it is my opinion that you do not need to 'burn off' anything to 'achieve' a state, because there is nothing to achieve-What you do have to is let go or evolve out of the attachment to a particular state to be able to focus on another state, if this is what you feel led to do.
Sort of the reason why we should be in 'trance' (that is, the physical senses 'turned off') to be able to tune into the next state (to me it's all the astral, but I realize we are talking graduations of focus)- but even that is doubtful, as any magician can attest to when their training includes being able to 'tune into' two or more states of being at once.
Just my opinion, feel free to disagree.

09-21-2007, 11:25 PM	#14
Uplillacype Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 492 Senior Member	I'll tell you how I see it (and it being my opinion, you can take it or leave it): First, my opinion is that anything that involves breathing and body awareness is energy work, so even doing deep breaths to calm down when you're upset is energy work. Ballet:energy work. All types of martial arts: energy work; weight lifting, thanks to it's reliance on breathwork to stay healthy is energy work. When I was a lot younger and did some swimming, I remember doing deep-breath exercises to make me able to hold my breath longer. Guess what? I had all kinds of projections in those times, and cases of astral sight too. Now I realize that all that deep breathing had something to do with it. So I do believe we do a lot of inadvertent energy work, even if our lives are not centereed on the spiritual. About the energy body: (And this is my belief, of course): We exist simultaneously in all aspects of reality, including the astral planes. I am sitting here in front of the computer after only one cup of cofee ) writing about transcendental aspects of being , and at the same time I'm thinking about my kid, wandering about in the astral checking on his unprojected double, and in the mental, buddhic, atmic, etc. etc. planes. At this point I could be talking to an avatar, guardian angel, someone else's higher self, etc. and even at the same time be taking a look at some of the hell planes, especially if I'm mad or worried about something. My point is that you don't need a specific energy body to be in any of these states, which are natural to you as a multidimensional being- you do however need them to perceive whatever information you want to use or remember, and this (IMO) is why we have to cultivate it. So it is my opinion that you do not need to 'burn off' anything to 'achieve' a state, because there is nothing to achieve-What you do have to is let go or evolve out of the attachment to a particular state to be able to focus on another state, if this is what you feel led to do. Sort of the reason why we should be in 'trance' (that is, the physical senses 'turned off') to be able to tune into the next state (to me it's all the astral, but I realize we are talking graduations of focus)- but even that is doubtful, as any magician can attest to when their training includes being able to 'tune into' two or more states of being at once. Just my opinion, feel free to disagree.
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