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**ExelePlavisseu** · 09-10-2007, 05:06 AM

And how come astral projections dont all just act like vivid dreams? How are astral projectors able to so consistently induce lucid dreams about astral projecting? See what I am getting at? Seems simpler to go with the theory that explains the things that are going on without a)jumping through too many hoops or b) ignoring things that dont fit a materialist worldview)

Indeed.

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Also, why do you say it's only the consciousness that would project during an OBE? To me that's messing up your thought process right there, because imo consciousness is a collection of thoughts that aren't physical in any sense, where as a 'soul' or 'astral body' would be physical, just not in the same way as our material bodies. I think that in an OBE your consciousness projects along with an astral body. If we're talking about experiments to validate stuff here, then take note of experiments where patients on their deathbeds were measured with very, very sensitive scales. They actually lost a measurable amount of mass at the moment of their death that could not be explained by conventional means. So, the difference between a lucid dream and an OBE, as far as I can tell, is that a lucid dream is an experience of the consciousness only (or perhaps an experience of the consciousness and the other parts of our being, but they remain with our physical body and so have a smaller part in the experience) and an OBE is an experience involving the consciousness and also an 'astral body' or whatever you prefer to call it

Don't apologize, it was great.

09-10-2007, 05:06 AM	#26
ExelePlavisseu Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 528 Senior Member	And how come astral projections dont all just act like vivid dreams? How are astral projectors able to so consistently induce lucid dreams about astral projecting? See what I am getting at? Seems simpler to go with the theory that explains the things that are going on without a)jumping through too many hoops or b) ignoring things that dont fit a materialist worldview) Indeed. And, Also, why do you say it's only the consciousness that would project during an OBE? To me that's messing up your thought process right there, because imo consciousness is a collection of thoughts that aren't physical in any sense, where as a 'soul' or 'astral body' would be physical, just not in the same way as our material bodies. I think that in an OBE your consciousness projects along with an astral body. If we're talking about experiments to validate stuff here, then take note of experiments where patients on their deathbeds were measured with very, very sensitive scales. They actually lost a measurable amount of mass at the moment of their death that could not be explained by conventional means. So, the difference between a lucid dream and an OBE, as far as I can tell, is that a lucid dream is an experience of the consciousness only (or perhaps an experience of the consciousness and the other parts of our being, but they remain with our physical body and so have a smaller part in the experience) and an OBE is an experience involving the consciousness and also an 'astral body' or whatever you prefer to call it Don't apologize, it was great.
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