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**jeargefef** · 07-24-2007, 11:17 PM

Hey, J. I hope it's all good with you.

Rain wrote: Anyway, as for WILD, one could argue that it would be phasing...but I believe it would be phasing into a lucid dream. I never really understood what phasing is, but I know that a WILD is a lucid dream, not an OBE. They are similar to try and induce, but they are entirely different experiences. (OBE's vs Lucid dreams). Actually that would make for a great debate. I think that's WILDs are phasing to a lucid dream- you can phase into different levels (locales, focus of consciousness, bla bla) and some may be entire dream environments, some may be something objectified (that is, created by other dreamers, projectors, etc.) but essentially all projecting has the elements of both.
The astral is preexisting, just as energy is preexisting, but the experiencer gives it form, and the form comes from memory. So a level in the astral will respond to you as you understand things, some levels will respond, some will respond less (like the highest planes will not respond, and you will perceive it as abstraction) so IMO distinguishing an OBE (of the phasing type) from a WILD is a matter of opinion.
IN MY OPINION, of course.

07-24-2007, 11:17 PM	#18
jeargefef Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 649 Senior Member	Hey, J. I hope it's all good with you. Rain wrote: Anyway, as for WILD, one could argue that it would be phasing...but I believe it would be phasing into a lucid dream. I never really understood what phasing is, but I know that a WILD is a lucid dream, not an OBE. They are similar to try and induce, but they are entirely different experiences. (OBE's vs Lucid dreams). Actually that would make for a great debate. I think that's WILDs are phasing to a lucid dream- you can phase into different levels (locales, focus of consciousness, bla bla) and some may be entire dream environments, some may be something objectified (that is, created by other dreamers, projectors, etc.) but essentially all projecting has the elements of both. The astral is preexisting, just as energy is preexisting, but the experiencer gives it form, and the form comes from memory. So a level in the astral will respond to you as you understand things, some levels will respond, some will respond less (like the highest planes will not respond, and you will perceive it as abstraction) so IMO distinguishing an OBE (of the phasing type) from a WILD is a matter of opinion. IN MY OPINION, of course.
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