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**steansathtpos** · 03-08-2007, 01:13 PM

Journ[e]yman:

"Wouldn't any of this supposition depend on what ESP is? Last I heard there are still almost as many explanations as there are investigators."
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A gross exaggeration! In any case, only 4 or so theories are taken seriously by most mainstream parapsychologists. For a succinct discussion of the main theories, see John Heaney, 'The Sacred and the Psychic." or, more recently, David Fontana, "Is There an Afterlife: A Comprehensive Overview of the Evidence."

"Apart from the speaking & understanding in tongues delivered by the Holy Ghost at Pentecost, the Charismatic movement within the churches will be most dismayed to find out they are practicing demonic rituals."
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Duh, you must learn to read and detect suppressed premisses. The Catholic church obviously restricts the xenoglossy criterion to cases in which there chronic debilitating symptoms of POSSESSION. Some of my most potent mystical experiences have been accompanied by speaking in tongues. I have even coached people on how to experience this charism!

"Are you suggesting all his [Cayce's] trance communications are demon-generated"
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In this or any research, one must initially strive to know what one doesn't know, why one does not know it, how close one can come to knowing it, and whether more practical questions can be posed to penetrate the mystery. I am no Cayce fan, but am agnostic about the source of his xenoglossy. Cayce himself genuinely wanted to help people. The most impressive case of this kind involved ancient Egyptian and is known as "the Rosemary case." I think channeling can be dangerous, but I presently see no reason to dismiss "the Rosemary case" as demonic.

"I doubt it will be helpful to post your beliefs about demons in a forum dedicated to those suffering from neg attachment."
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Again you ass/u/me. When you do that you make an "ass" of "u" and "me." Read me thread on my family's exoricisms and you'll see that we have been very effective in liberating people from oppressive negs.

"Your post seems to be ignoring any possibility that these things could have any 'good' intent. Almost every sentence pre-supposes the evil behind ESP or mediumship."
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Nonsense! All my life I have had wonderful experiences of ESP (precognition, clairvoyance, etc.) I have even successfully prophesied materializaions, most recently of 2 long lost rings owned by deceased mothers. You must learn to season you penchant for presumptive bluster with a modicum of patient rigor. It is you who prejudge without even waiting to see how I address the announced two relevant questions on this issue. You haven't even given me the chance to deifine the key terms.

Don

03-08-2007, 01:13 PM	#6
steansathtpos Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	Journ[e]yman: "Wouldn't any of this supposition depend on what ESP is? Last I heard there are still almost as many explanations as there are investigators." __________________________________________________ _____ A gross exaggeration! In any case, only 4 or so theories are taken seriously by most mainstream parapsychologists. For a succinct discussion of the main theories, see John Heaney, 'The Sacred and the Psychic." or, more recently, David Fontana, "Is There an Afterlife: A Comprehensive Overview of the Evidence." "Apart from the speaking & understanding in tongues delivered by the Holy Ghost at Pentecost, the Charismatic movement within the churches will be most dismayed to find out they are practicing demonic rituals." __________________________________________________ ________ Duh, you must learn to read and detect suppressed premisses. The Catholic church obviously restricts the xenoglossy criterion to cases in which there chronic debilitating symptoms of POSSESSION. Some of my most potent mystical experiences have been accompanied by speaking in tongues. I have even coached people on how to experience this charism! "Are you suggesting all his [Cayce's] trance communications are demon-generated" _________ In this or any research, one must initially strive to know what one doesn't know, why one does not know it, how close one can come to knowing it, and whether more practical questions can be posed to penetrate the mystery. I am no Cayce fan, but am agnostic about the source of his xenoglossy. Cayce himself genuinely wanted to help people. The most impressive case of this kind involved ancient Egyptian and is known as "the Rosemary case." I think channeling can be dangerous, but I presently see no reason to dismiss "the Rosemary case" as demonic. "I doubt it will be helpful to post your beliefs about demons in a forum dedicated to those suffering from neg attachment." ___________________________________________ Again you ass/u/me. When you do that you make an "ass" of "u" and "me." Read me thread on my family's exoricisms and you'll see that we have been very effective in liberating people from oppressive negs. "Your post seems to be ignoring any possibility that these things could have any 'good' intent. Almost every sentence pre-supposes the evil behind ESP or mediumship." __________________________ Nonsense! All my life I have had wonderful experiences of ESP (precognition, clairvoyance, etc.) I have even successfully prophesied materializaions, most recently of 2 long lost rings owned by deceased mothers. You must learn to season you penchant for presumptive bluster with a modicum of patient rigor. It is you who prejudge without even waiting to see how I address the announced two relevant questions on this issue. You haven't even given me the chance to deifine the key terms. Don
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