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**usaguedriedax** · 03-09-2007, 07:13 AM

Journ[e]yman:A gross exaggeration! In any case, only 4 or so theories are taken seriously by most mainstream parapsychologists. For a succinct discussion of the main theories, see John Heaney, 'The Sacred and the Psychic." or, more recently, David Fontana, "Is There an Afterlife: A Comprehensive Overview of the Evidence."

David Fontana may have some insights to offer but he bases what he says on what other people have told him & what he has read. I can't find any evidence of his involvement in experimentation of things psi or psychic. While he may be useful for background info, he is hardly an authority.
John Heaney is a catholic priest & as such is neither unbiased nor a reliable source. The church has an ongoing interest in persuading everyone of a particular point of view & their entire foundation rests on convincing everyone they they, & only they, are the path to Truth.

And I don't consider myself a world beater but I can think of more than 4 possibilities for the experiences people have in their lives.

Duh, you must learn to read and detect suppressed premisses

Or perhaps one as erudite as yourself should learn to express them. It's your treatise; why should we do the investigating into things you couldn't be bothered putting in?

The Catholic church obviously restricts the xenoglossy criterion to cases in which there chronic debilitating symptoms of POSSESSION. Some of my most potent mystical experiences have been accompanied by speaking in tongues. I have even coached people on how to experience this charism!

Well it isn't obvious to those who either aren't well-versed catholic scribes or haven't bothered studying the intricacies of a system devoted to defrauding individuals of their right to advancement.

Given that xenoglossy is a made up word (it isn't in any dictionary to which I have access) it isn't really a wonder that I didn't know the church has restrictions on it.

In this or any research, one must initially strive to know what one doesn't know, why one does not know it, how close one can come to knowing it, and whether more practical questions can be posed to penetrate the mystery. I am no Cayce fan, but am agnostic about the source of his xenoglossy. Cayce himself genuinely wanted to help people. The most impressive case of this kind involved ancient Egyptian and is known as "the Rosemary case." I think channeling can be dangerous, but I presently see no reason to dismiss "the Rosemary case" as demonic.

But my whole point is your screed seems to be saying you already know all this is evil & demon based. It is hardly an error of mine if I haven't read your thoughts of what you plan to write or that, because of your use of opaque language, I have been unable to dsicern where you are going with your writing.

The sign of a good mind is not how many unusual, long or obscure words one can use, but rather how concisely one can state the premise & arguments in understandable form. (no matter what your philosophy professor may have told you)

Again you ass/u/me. When you do that you make an "ass" of "u" and "me." Read me thread on my family's exoricisms and you'll see that we have been very effective in liberating people from oppressive negs.

Yes... well I grew up on such stories - I'll believe it when I see it & not before. Too many people have too many reasons for spreading BS stories about what happened. And you brother now denies it all as well? Interesting isn't it?

Nonsense! All my life I have had wonderful experiences of ESP (precognition, clairvoyance, etc.) I have even successfully prophesied materializaions, most recently of 2 long lost rings owned by deceased mothers. You must learn to season you penchant for presumptive bluster with a modicum of patient rigor. It is you who prejudge without even waiting to see how I address the announced two relevant questions on this issue. You haven't even given me the chance to deifine the key terms.

You should learn to stay with discussing the topic & it's merits or otherwise. Turning to personal attack simply makes you look petty & silly.

You show none of this information in your post & I was commenting on your post. To now attack me for failing to somehow know things you haven't said or even implied is a trifle silly of you. Perhaps the first part of my assumption was actually accurate?

PS: Journyman is an avatar name & as such doesn't actually need your correction in spelling.

03-09-2007, 07:13 AM	#9
usaguedriedax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 596 Senior Member	Journ[e]yman:A gross exaggeration! In any case, only 4 or so theories are taken seriously by most mainstream parapsychologists. For a succinct discussion of the main theories, see John Heaney, 'The Sacred and the Psychic." or, more recently, David Fontana, "Is There an Afterlife: A Comprehensive Overview of the Evidence." David Fontana may have some insights to offer but he bases what he says on what other people have told him & what he has read. I can't find any evidence of his involvement in experimentation of things psi or psychic. While he may be useful for background info, he is hardly an authority. John Heaney is a catholic priest & as such is neither unbiased nor a reliable source. The church has an ongoing interest in persuading everyone of a particular point of view & their entire foundation rests on convincing everyone they they, & only they, are the path to Truth. And I don't consider myself a world beater but I can think of more than 4 possibilities for the experiences people have in their lives. Duh, you must learn to read and detect suppressed premisses Or perhaps one as erudite as yourself should learn to express them. It's your treatise; why should we do the investigating into things you couldn't be bothered putting in? The Catholic church obviously restricts the xenoglossy criterion to cases in which there chronic debilitating symptoms of POSSESSION. Some of my most potent mystical experiences have been accompanied by speaking in tongues. I have even coached people on how to experience this charism! Well it isn't obvious to those who either aren't well-versed catholic scribes or haven't bothered studying the intricacies of a system devoted to defrauding individuals of their right to advancement. Given that xenoglossy is a made up word (it isn't in any dictionary to which I have access) it isn't really a wonder that I didn't know the church has restrictions on it. In this or any research, one must initially strive to know what one doesn't know, why one does not know it, how close one can come to knowing it, and whether more practical questions can be posed to penetrate the mystery. I am no Cayce fan, but am agnostic about the source of his xenoglossy. Cayce himself genuinely wanted to help people. The most impressive case of this kind involved ancient Egyptian and is known as "the Rosemary case." I think channeling can be dangerous, but I presently see no reason to dismiss "the Rosemary case" as demonic. But my whole point is your screed seems to be saying you already know all this is evil & demon based. It is hardly an error of mine if I haven't read your thoughts of what you plan to write or that, because of your use of opaque language, I have been unable to dsicern where you are going with your writing. The sign of a good mind is not how many unusual, long or obscure words one can use, but rather how concisely one can state the premise & arguments in understandable form. (no matter what your philosophy professor may have told you) Again you ass/u/me. When you do that you make an "ass" of "u" and "me." Read me thread on my family's exoricisms and you'll see that we have been very effective in liberating people from oppressive negs. Yes... well I grew up on such stories - I'll believe it when I see it & not before. Too many people have too many reasons for spreading BS stories about what happened. And you brother now denies it all as well? Interesting isn't it? Nonsense! All my life I have had wonderful experiences of ESP (precognition, clairvoyance, etc.) I have even successfully prophesied materializaions, most recently of 2 long lost rings owned by deceased mothers. You must learn to season you penchant for presumptive bluster with a modicum of patient rigor. It is you who prejudge without even waiting to see how I address the announced two relevant questions on this issue. You haven't even given me the chance to deifine the key terms. You should learn to stay with discussing the topic & it's merits or otherwise. Turning to personal attack simply makes you look petty & silly. You show none of this information in your post & I was commenting on your post. To now attack me for failing to somehow know things you haven't said or even implied is a trifle silly of you. Perhaps the first part of my assumption was actually accurate? PS: Journyman is an avatar name & as such doesn't actually need your correction in spelling.
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