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**MexicoCity** · 12-07-2006, 11:20 PM

Veles wrote: Their point is to move to consciousness away from your body. I find it difficult Two points: If you only have been practicing for two weeks, it is too soon to gauge what works best for you, unless you are a spontaneous projector and are now deciding to do it consciously.
I am a spontaneous projector, have been doing it approximately since 7 or 8 when I realized what I was doing, (I am now 49, so you can imagine how long I've been doing it). I decided to learn to deliberately and consciously project about 2 years ago (a little over), and after starting MAP, it took me 30 days (give or take a few) to consciously project. I have been consciously projecting about once a month for that long (sometimes more, depending on external things) and are now starting to figure out what affects me more and what I'm better at.
Having said that, from your words, that is the idea that your body consciousness is hampering your projection, I disagree- it's not the fact that you have trouble dissassociating from your body, it's that you believe that that is the problem.
Let me try to explain what I'm trying to say: When we do energy work, we use the association we have with the body to work and stimulate the energy body. When you have a tactile feel for your energy body, you learn to separate the feel of the energy body from the physical body, and that makes you able to bilocate (something common in an OBE, and get a feel for manipulating the energy body.) This comes with time and practice. So identification with the physical can be a tool for successful RTZ OBE. In my opinion, I think that if we could completely dissasociate from the physical body, all projections would be mental, there would be no RTZ OBEs or energy body separations, (of course, this is MO.) But, (and it's a big one), if you believe your association with your physical body is going to stop you from separating, it definitely will. No doubt about it.
If you believe that separation is impossible for you, then you might want to try phasing. In this type of projection, there is no 'formation of an energy body' or 'tangible separation'. Kind of like remote viewing.

12-07-2006, 11:20 PM	#14
MexicoCity Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 566 Senior Member	Veles wrote: Their point is to move to consciousness away from your body. I find it difficult Two points: If you only have been practicing for two weeks, it is too soon to gauge what works best for you, unless you are a spontaneous projector and are now deciding to do it consciously. I am a spontaneous projector, have been doing it approximately since 7 or 8 when I realized what I was doing, (I am now 49, so you can imagine how long I've been doing it). I decided to learn to deliberately and consciously project about 2 years ago (a little over), and after starting MAP, it took me 30 days (give or take a few) to consciously project. I have been consciously projecting about once a month for that long (sometimes more, depending on external things) and are now starting to figure out what affects me more and what I'm better at. Having said that, from your words, that is the idea that your body consciousness is hampering your projection, I disagree- it's not the fact that you have trouble dissassociating from your body, it's that you believe that that is the problem. Let me try to explain what I'm trying to say: When we do energy work, we use the association we have with the body to work and stimulate the energy body. When you have a tactile feel for your energy body, you learn to separate the feel of the energy body from the physical body, and that makes you able to bilocate (something common in an OBE, and get a feel for manipulating the energy body.) This comes with time and practice. So identification with the physical can be a tool for successful RTZ OBE. In my opinion, I think that if we could completely dissasociate from the physical body, all projections would be mental, there would be no RTZ OBEs or energy body separations, (of course, this is MO.) But, (and it's a big one), if you believe your association with your physical body is going to stop you from separating, it definitely will. No doubt about it. If you believe that separation is impossible for you, then you might want to try phasing. In this type of projection, there is no 'formation of an energy body' or 'tangible separation'. Kind of like remote viewing.
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